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I'm looking for critique on composition and exposure

Brand:NIKON CORPORATION
Camera:Nikon D300 Check out Nikon Nation!
Lens:28.0-105.0 mm f/3.5-4.5
Recording media:RAW (digital)
Date Taken:21 Oct 2012 - 7:00 PM
Focal Length:52mm
Lens Max Aperture:f/4.1
Aperture:f/22.0
Shutter Speed:30sec
Exposure Comp:+1
ISO:100
Exposure Mode:Aperture-priority AE
Metering Mode:Spot
Flash:No Flash
White Balance:Custom
Title:Arnside
Username:patbannon patbannon
Uploaded:22 Oct 2012 - 2:35 PM
Tags:Black & white, Landscape / travel
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paulbroad
paulbroad  781 forum posts United Kingdom850 Constructive Critique Points
22 Oct 2012 - 4:26 PM

I'm quite sure the exposure is spot on. Composition? A matter of personal preference and I fear the subject matter does not suite my tastes. I struggle to find a single focal point and the foreground shapes are not terribly attractive.

Paul

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Focus_Man
Focus_Man  4481 forum posts United Kingdom631 Constructive Critique Points
22 Oct 2012 - 5:20 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Welcome to EPZ Patrick, entry into the Critique gallery requests total critique and receives from none to a lot, you just never know! Here you have managed to get the water milky which seems to have been your prime aim given the 30sec exposure, but compositionally that cannot stand alone in my opinion.

I would suggest that the shoreline appears to be too sharp, because shores just aren't like that and the proportion above the shore line appears to be less that is required to give good balance.

Below the shore line is your milky water and then the foreground rocks appear to be too low to be major focal points within the image. Perhaps a lower camera position would have foreshortened the image to close it up and to move the rocks higher up where they would be more attractive. Leaving the blank area at the best viewing position within the frame sort of leaves an obvious missing focal point.

I am sure we will soon see more from you.

Frank

Last Modified By Focus_Man at 22 Oct 2012 - 5:21 PM

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patbannon
patbannon  1 United Kingdom
22 Oct 2012 - 5:59 PM

Thanks focus man, very helpful...

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iancrowson
iancrowson e2 Member 4211 forum postsiancrowson vcard United Kingdom129 Constructive Critique Points
22 Oct 2012 - 8:45 PM

I do like this image. It has a peaceful and atmospheric feel to it.
But as Frank says the shoreline and rocks are too sharp and I feel are not sympathetic to the rest of the picture. The top 2/3 is soft and mysterious and the rock too real.
i've done a mod for my amusement which creates an abstract image.
Ian

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banehawi
banehawi Critique Team 10829 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada2833 Constructive Critique Points
22 Oct 2012 - 11:00 PM

Welcome to Ephotozine Patrick.


This is quite a nice shot overall. There are some suggestions that can improve this, and also help with future shots of this type.

You asked for specific feedback on composition, and exposure.

Composition ideally should have the lakes edge on a third, - you can Google rule of thirds. As suggested by Frank, having the foreground higher in the frame would help with this, as would a little more clouds. If you keep the rule of thirds in mind, you can compose, so that some part of the 35mm frame will be cropped off, and you will have a good 8 X 10 format print, well composed.

next, exposure. Its uneven, in the sense that the lower area is very bright due to the long exposure, and this causes it to be a little top heavy. Theres a load of good detail in that foreground that can be recovered in Photoshop using the highlight tool, or levels to work on the mid tones. This makes the shot better balanced, the foreground more interesting.

The edge of the lake, - the very bright line, very sharp, looks a little odd. Its as if someone drew a line across the image. It can be remedied to some extent by very slightly blurring only that bright horizontal line.


I have uploaded a mod, - scroll up and click the modification tab, and you will see my mod, which you can view large.

I have addressed composition by selecting the foreground. copying it, and moving it higher in the frame, and cropping. To get the edge on a third required the addition of a small amount of cloud. I increased the vertical canvas size at the top, and filled it with existing clouds. The lakes edge has had a 1 pixel Gaussian blur, with opacity reduced to 50%. Most importantly, the foreground area has had the highlights toned down, and mid tones improved, and sharpened.


I hope you will find that its a more attractive image, with better balance.

Looking at your shot settings, one comment that can be useful. Most lenses lose sharpness as the aperture gets smaller, below f/16. So using f/22 can result in a less sharp edge to edge image than f/16. Try a larger aperture, even try f/11 when using short focal lengths (wide lenses) and see the difference.

Hope you find this helpful, - and a quick note to address Franks comment on Critique, all images submitted for critique that have all the required information provided do receive feedback. Frank is one of the helpful members that pitches in to help, as does Paul, so do use this gallery with confidence.



regards



Willie

Last Modified By banehawi at 22 Oct 2012 - 11:03 PM

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patbannon
patbannon  1 United Kingdom
23 Oct 2012 - 10:15 AM

some great feedback overall, thanks, Thanks for your comment Ian, that is actually what I was going for with the majority of the other shots from the evenings shoot, I actually like what you have done in your mod, to create that shoreline did you use the clone stamp tool?

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iancrowson
iancrowson e2 Member 4211 forum postsiancrowson vcard United Kingdom129 Constructive Critique Points
23 Oct 2012 - 12:55 PM

Patbannon
Thanks for your reply. I'm sure every one who makes comments and critiques is pleased hear back from the photographer. I will send you a personal message with details of how I did my mod
Ian

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arhab
arhab  243 forum posts Indonesia2 Constructive Critique Points
25 Oct 2012 - 5:38 AM

actually i am difficult to understand this pict, the horizontal line made the pict divided, i think. the top image as i understand is star?. well good advice from experience had given, so i will not add anything.

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