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A technical question about Halo againGrin
I learnt that the white lines are called halos. I need to do something about it when they are on the top of the building. I don't know what I should do with people. Technicallly speaking, should I do anything about it or not? I mean, like sundog. I quite like them, but from photographic point of view, it seemed that they shouldn't be on the photo.
Up to this photo, there is a halo on the woman. Should I leave it or burn it? Obviously, it was inevitable. Or it's like sundog, inevitable, but still has to go ...or as the the halo on the building that has to be darkened.
The photo was taken at Hinterzarten station while I was waiting for the train, as they were. It was a cold morning, the light was nice. It is nearly original photo,apart from a little was cropped off at the bottom, and a little bit of wire was cloned off on the top left corner. To simplify the picture I tured it into B&W. I also increased the midtone up to 127 and resharpened 40% something, after I saw the preview. Looking back, I should leave a bit space in front of them,don't you think so? I couldn't remember why it was ended like this..maybe, was I trying to avoid the direct sun light? No idea.GrinAll comments and criticisms are welcome. Thank you.

Brand:Canon
Camera:Canon EOS 50D
Lens:EF-S18-200mm f/3.5-5.6 IS
Recording media:RAW (digital)
Date Taken:23 Oct 2011 - 9:10 AM
Focal Length:80mm
Lens Max Aperture:f/5.2
Aperture:f/11.0
Shutter Speed:1/500sec
Exposure Comp:0.0
ISO:200
Exposure Mode:Manual
Metering Mode:Partial
Flash:Off, Did not fire
Title:At the railway station.
Username:xwang xwang
Uploaded:15 Dec 2011 - 10:41 AM
Tags:Black & white, Photo journalism
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saeidNL
saeidNL  4 Netherlands3 Constructive Critique Points
15 Dec 2011 - 11:10 AM

Stunning and great Mono shot,very well done,
saeid

xwang
xwang  531 forum posts7 Constructive Critique Points
15 Dec 2011 - 11:15 AM

Thank you Jeff for your MOD. I didn't notice the burned out part on the roof. Maybe it was caused by Increasing the midtone after I saw the preview.The picture I saw on the preview was slightly different from what I saw on PS. I also noticed the loss of the sharpness. I couldn't remember what it was at the bottom of the photo, thank you for your gardeningWink

Last Modified By xwang at 15 Dec 2011 - 11:17 AM
xwang
xwang  531 forum posts7 Constructive Critique Points
15 Dec 2011 - 11:16 AM

Ah.. thank you Saeid.

WhiteRose1
WhiteRose1 e2 Member 41029 forum postsWhiteRose1 vcard England133 Constructive Critique Points
15 Dec 2011 - 11:25 AM

Morning Jasmine. Not sure Halo is the right description for the effect on your people. It is a natural effect of back (or rim) lighting and really makes your subjects stand out. For me it is a desired effect of this lighting. A halo would be an area of light (or dark) around a part of a subject not part of the subject itself (as in your case).

I do like your high contrast presentation. The couple stand out well as almost silhouettes and the backlighting. And the shadows are so well placed.

Dave

SlowSong
SlowSong e2 Member 54239 forum postsSlowSong vcard England28 Constructive Critique Points
15 Dec 2011 - 11:25 AM

Well the light around the people is rimlight which you will get when the light is shining from behind the subject. I think it works well and there's nothing wrong with it. It's used a lot on wildlife and nature images. A nice contrasty mono as we would expect with such strong sunlight.
Chris

Joline
Joline e2 Member 8Joline vcard United States51 Constructive Critique Points
15 Dec 2011 - 11:38 AM

Very nicely done rim lighting, or backlighting as it is sometimes called.
Yes, the sky and roof are blown, and there's nothing much to be done about it. If you crop down to just above the roof on the platform, it not only eliminates the blown area, it also makes a stronger composition. I am putting up a mod.

Joline
Joline e2 Member 8Joline vcard United States51 Constructive Critique Points
15 Dec 2011 - 11:43 AM

I hope the modification got uploaded....I can't see it when I open your image....not sure what happened.

xwang
xwang  531 forum posts7 Constructive Critique Points
15 Dec 2011 - 11:44 AM

Thank you Joline. It seems that the roof was blown out after I saw the preview, I increased the midtone. I'll put back the one I intended to put on. i'm a bit lost at the preview part.

lonely_oryx
lonely_oryx e2 Member 661 forum postslonely_oryx vcard England54 Constructive Critique Points
15 Dec 2011 - 12:02 PM

I like the lighting around the figures

paulbroad
paulbroad  681 forum posts United Kingdom843 Constructive Critique Points
15 Dec 2011 - 2:48 PM

I think you may be confusing sharpening halos with lighting halos. What you have here is entirely natural and should be there - more of a rim light effect than a halo. I rather like what you have done. I would just go round some of the brighter areas with the burning in tool though. Will try a mod.

Paul

banehawi
banehawi Critique Team 10781 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada2803 Constructive Critique Points
15 Dec 2011 - 3:27 PM

Hi Jasmine, - as per my usual request, can you upload the original. This version has been through quite a bit of tweaking, so lets see what you started with.

As Paul has already said, when you look at the people, the light coming around them is equivalent to rim lighting in a studio, and deliberate effect, not an error! Since you like this type of shot, why not try using a 1 stop negative exposure compensation? It will make the brights less bright, and darks darker, but may be something you are happier with?

I will wait for the original.



W

xwang
xwang  531 forum posts7 Constructive Critique Points
15 Dec 2011 - 5:39 PM

Thank you Paul. I have no idea what halo is. I thought that all the white lines are called halo, and I knew they are not desirable on the top of the roof, but I don'tknow if they are OK on people.Glad that you like itWink, and thank you for the MOD.
Thank you Willie. I have uploaded the original. I think that it is, I set back "Camera RAW Defaults" from Raw. The top of the roof was snow. Yes, it snowed there in Oct. because it is 900m above sea level. See you laterSmile
Jasmine

SueEley
SueEley e2 Member 8271 forum postsSueEley vcard Wales96 Constructive Critique Points
15 Dec 2011 - 7:52 PM

I like back or rim light on people. If you want to see the nasty line that people don't like that comes because of sharpening, just set whatever sharpen filter you use to a very high setting, and look at what happens to the edges... This is what people complain about. I wouldn't call that a halo, I would call it an over-sharpening artefact. You don't see it as much as you used to. What I always find weird is that where we live, when there is strong light behind the mountains, the mountains gain a bright line. If it is near sunset, then sometimes we get shaded mountains with a reddish line. I think if I took pictures, people would think it was something wrong.... but I can see it with my own eyes, and so can my husband. Probably another example of backlighting.

banehawi
banehawi Critique Team 10781 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada2803 Constructive Critique Points
15 Dec 2011 - 8:47 PM

Thanks for loading the original Jasmine.

Its reasonably exposed for the light, but not for the reflections on the roof. If you had used negative exposure comp you would have then had the problem of lifting details from shadows, and you would run into the noise issue, so a good compromise.

The two people are the focal point, and the light around them is nice, and to be expected. I think through processing you are trying to get this normal rim light brighter, and in the process maybe introducing other problems.

The first thing I suggest, - and Cats has already done a mod, is crop out that roof. Its not only a distraction, but if you use an 8 X 10 crop, it will be removed anyway.

Loaded a number of mods, - with the last likely to be most acceptable. The Mod1 is colour, cropped, and the exposure reduced a little, - the rest variations of mono, and the last with the shadow tool used in CS at 30% tonal width.

The less tweaking you do, the better, and confine tweaking only to whats essential. I get the impression you are tweaking to get the laws of physics to change, perhaps being too critical of your own work. Keep in mind the dynamic range capability of the human eye is in the order of 10,000 times that of your camera!


regards


Willie

xwang
xwang  531 forum posts7 Constructive Critique Points
15 Dec 2011 - 10:02 PM

Thank you very much, Willie. I did think of cropping off the top, but I remember this place well, sort of affection, and I thought that the building looked nice as background , so I just left it.
I actually didn't know that called 'rim light', until now.
I didn't want to change the laws of physics Grin.. I actually have no 'law' in my mind, playing with the slider, to get what I feel like 'right'.. I sensed that the contrast was right for me, but when I saw the preview, I felt it became a bit darker and lost a lot sharpness,so I re- adjusted level, but the feed back showed it was burned. Later, I uploaded the original without level change, only with sharpening . When I looked at the original, after you asked for, I realised that the roof was covered with snow. I can't remember my adjusted RAW setting now, after I set it back to default. From this jpeg that I uploaded for you, I set red 257;yellow218;Green 57;cyans60;blue155 and Magantus80, it seemed slightly less contrast and the rim was darkened a bit. But if it is natural as Paul said, I don't mind to have them there, it's like flare that you pointed out to me a few times before..and then you are smart enough to realise that I quite like them,Grin but photographically speaking, it should not be there, so I try not to keep them on the photo...
Ha,ha.. "being too critical of your own work." I'm trying to get an award from you for 'Being picky'Grin
Thank you very much again, Willie.
Thank you Sue.
Thank you Paul.
Thank you all for your kind and helpful comments.
Jas.

nonur
nonur e2 Member 5nonur vcard Turkey8 Constructive Critique Points
15 Dec 2011 - 11:15 PM

Excellent backlit mono shot!

pdcche
pdcche  3 United Kingdom
15 Dec 2011 - 11:22 PM

Lovely mono shot and great shadows Jas.. Peter

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