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B&W shot of river in Ivancice,
crop to remove dusty borders.

I wanted to give back the cold feeling,a bit melancolic, sad.ed a shoot in color but prefered the B&W with higher sharpness and contrast.
I liked the "ray" of light in center of river but i am not sure that the right side of photo is so good, i feel it in opposition with the left which has more sharp and contrast.

Av 22
Tv 1/13
Exp comp +1/3
Iso200
Focale 55mm
Spot metering
Sharpness 7
Contrast 2
Saturation 2
Color Tone 2
White balance Cloudy

Picture Style Monochrome
Filter Red
Toning effect Green

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Looking forward to your advices and comments, thank you.

Gilles.

Recording media:RAW (digital)
Title:B&W cold river
Username:GDO GDO
Uploaded:20 Dec 2010 - 7:17 AM
Tags:Black & white, Landscape / travel, Wildlife / nature
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cats_123
cats_123 e2 Member 104254 forum postscats_123 vcard Northern Ireland25 Constructive Critique Points
20 Dec 2010 - 10:08 AMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

am no expert, but would have liked some more of the water rather than the top of the shot (which is quite white/blank). Have had a go at a mod, playing around in curves and added a little contrast Smile

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paulbroad e2 Member 789 forum postspaulbroad vcard United Kingdom880 Constructive Critique Points
20 Dec 2010 - 10:44 AMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

One major basic problem here I fear, not enough river and too much trees. I'm not really sure why you composed like this, but what I suspect could be an excellent foreground is not there.

Mono suites well, but not green. I would have toned blue in these conditions - blue means cold - green means...

Assume you used a tripod. I would still have gone for about f8 and a much faster shutter speed - even on a tripod you can get some movement.

Paul

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CathR e2 Member 7139 forum postsCathR vcard United Kingdom563 Constructive Critique Points
20 Dec 2010 - 11:12 AMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Magnificent trees Gilles. You have created a lonely and cold feeling here. Normally I would avoid too much white and featureless sky but there is no doubt it adds to the mood of coldness and desolation.

I wonder though if there is an imbalance between the left and right sides with the different heights of the trees (or is it that the ones on the left are nearer?) I agree with Paul and Cats that a bit more of the river might have balanced the composition as well. You don't need a full reflection if you don't want to do it that way, but the water looks slightly cramped.

Thanks for posting your camera settings Gilles. It does help the team a lot to understand what is going on with a pic. I used to go for a very small aperture to get max depth of field until I read about diffraction. I'm not too hot on the precise technical explanation but basically if you force the rays of light through a very small opening like f22 you are likely to end up with a softer image than if you choose a larger aperture. Try it for youself and see if it makes a difference. I would have thought f16 would be plenty small enough, maybe even f11.

But it does mean you need to be careful about where you focus to get the max depth of field. A general rule of thumb is to focus about one third of the way into the pic.

Hope this helps and good luck with the photography

Catherine

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banehawi Critique Team 10988 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada2985 Constructive Critique Points
20 Dec 2010 - 12:43 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

The best example Ive seen of how to provide comprehensive shot details Gilles. You just need to add camera and lens.

A wider lens would have helped get you a composition with the river higher in the frame, while still retaining the trees. Placing the area where the river disappears between the trees should ideally by 1/3 from the bottom of the frame, making a pleasing composition.

To get max sharpness in a small aperture shot like this, you need to focus approx 1/3 the distance into the scene manually. The distant trees on the right may also be in a slight mist, making them less distinct. I would not use an aperture below f/16, as sharpness will actually fall off significantly below that in many cases. The exception being when using a macro lens close to a subject like a flower or insect.

Mono is a good choice, however I agree with the comments regarding green. For cold, a slight blue conveys the message, or in this case, a straight mono would work. I understand gree from the perspective of melancholy, but it doesnt work well with this scene.


Hope this is helpful,


regards



Willie

Last Modified By banehawi at 20 Dec 2010 - 12:45 PM

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GDO e2 Member 4GDO vcard Czech Republic
22 Dec 2010 - 8:18 AM

1st of all, thanks a lot for your advices, there a re so usefull.

I will go back to the place to test new settings and hceck the difference.

For the composition, unfortunately i can't do it in other way, this is the only angle that i can have. on foreground is a small barrage (waterfall but beton one) and closed area arround. I will try to go along the river, upper to check if there is some other place where i can compose it with more river.

CathR, funny you speak about diffraction, i have read about it 1 day before, i was looking for some application for iphone and comments were speaking about it, even with quote of Mister Zeiss himself explaining high levle guidelines.

wish you all Merry Christmas and again thank you.

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