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I'm trying to get a kind of effect that I'd tried before. Intensified the contrast by increasing the high light and darken the shadow. I intended to push the high light even further, that means losing the details..blown out the high light. My question is:"Should I stop here or 'push the boundary' even further please?Grin V2 is before B&W. Thanks for looking, comments, criticisms and MODs are welcome.

Brand:Canon
Camera:Canon EOS 50D
Lens:EF-S18-200mm f/3.5-5.6 IS
Recording media:RAW (digital)
Date Taken:15 May 2012 - 3:32 PM
Focal Length:70mm
Lens Max Aperture:f/5.2
Aperture:f/13.0
Shutter Speed:1/180sec
Exposure Comp:0.0
ISO:160
Exposure Mode:Manual
Metering Mode:Partial
Flash:Off, Did not fire
White Balance:Auto
Title:Balcony
Username:xwang xwang
Uploaded:26 Mar 2013 - 9:46 AM
Tags:Architecture, Balcony, BB&W, Vienna
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NDODS
NDODS e2 Member 32930 forum postsNDODS vcard United Kingdom99 Constructive Critique Points
26 Mar 2013 - 9:49 AM

A very well worked image, love the detail that the monochrome processing brings out.

Nathan Grin

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RonnieAG
RonnieAG e2 Member 4139 forum postsRonnieAG vcard Scotland110 Constructive Critique Points
26 Mar 2013 - 10:04 AM

I guess it depends exactly what you want to achieve, Jasmine, so I'm not sure there is a correct answer to your query: but for myself, I find the original version, albeit with a limited colour palette, the more satisfying, as there is a contrast still between the highlighted and shadowed areas, whereas in V 1 this has been evened out. Perhaps a 'straight' B and W conversion without altering contrast, shadow detail, etc. might work the better. Will be interesting to come back later and see the thoughts of others, far better qualified than myself.
Ronnie.

Last Modified By RonnieAG at 26 Mar 2013 - 10:07 AM

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nonur
nonur e2 Member 5nonur vcard Turkey8 Constructive Critique Points
26 Mar 2013 - 10:20 AM

I like the mono version as it is more impressive. The application of the pp effect is just right and I think doing anything further might spoil it.

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jdinne
jdinne  11 England
26 Mar 2013 - 10:33 AM

No expert Jasmine but I find V2 the more pleasing to my eye, may be my monitor as on my lap top and not the desk top. Think Ronnie's suggestion might improve V1, as said am no expert.

John

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Hermanus
Hermanus  2 South Africa
26 Mar 2013 - 10:49 AM

Lovely !!

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Joline
Joline e2 Member 8Joline vcard United States51 Constructive Critique Points
26 Mar 2013 - 11:06 AM

I like what you have done with this, and the wee cloning job in the window helps, too. I'll be interested to hear what the experts have to say. I say, nicely done.

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WhiteRose1 e2 Member 41029 forum postsWhiteRose1 vcard England133 Constructive Critique Points
26 Mar 2013 - 11:39 AM

I had a play, Jasmine. I took v2, and used Topaz B&W and CS5 and my final result was so similar to your v1 I haven't uploaded it. I shall return later to see any mods.

Dave

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jdinne
jdinne  11 England
26 Mar 2013 - 11:48 AM

Jasmine

In answer to your comment on my up load.

My start is malware and was probably installed during the installation of other wanted software as additional recommended software. Will send you PM with instructions.

Rgds

John

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lonely_oryx e2 Member 661 forum postslonely_oryx vcard England54 Constructive Critique Points
26 Mar 2013 - 1:46 PM

V1 for me

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leontari e2 Member 1leontari vcard Greece
26 Mar 2013 - 1:55 PM

V1 for me too, Jasmine, as it works very well in mono.
Effrossini

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LynneJoyce
LynneJoyce e2 Member 6LynneJoyce vcard United Kingdom97 Constructive Critique Points
26 Mar 2013 - 4:19 PM

The mono works particularly well here Jasmine.

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xwang
xwang  531 forum posts7 Constructive Critique Points
26 Mar 2013 - 6:13 PM

Thank you,Lynne. Thank you all.

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paulbroad
paulbroad  681 forum posts United Kingdom843 Constructive Critique Points
26 Mar 2013 - 6:20 PM

V2 for me. The plain mono is very slightly over exposed and needs darkening a little, which you have achieved in v2. The highlights are better controlled. Nice architectural image.

Paul

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xwang
xwang  531 forum posts7 Constructive Critique Points
26 Mar 2013 - 8:12 PM

Thank you very much, Paul.

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ErictheViking e2 Member 1124 forum postsErictheViking vcard Scotland102 Constructive Critique Points
26 Mar 2013 - 11:03 PM

Hi jasmine

Not sure if my mod is the type of thing you are trying to achieve, you talk about pushing the highlights and I think this is a big part of creating a B+W image however I have found adjusting the highlights first can result in the shadows being lightened and this seems to be the effect in your B+W conversion.

In my mod I adjusted the shadows first this seems to establish the shadows I then create the mid tones that I want this seems to establish the highlight areas and then I can boost those to what ever level I want with little effect on the shadow areas.

Let me know what you think of the mod it was created straight from your V2 so no cloning and cropping done.

Erik. Grin

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xwang
xwang  531 forum posts7 Constructive Critique Points
26 Mar 2013 - 11:53 PM

Thank you very much, Erik for your MOD. Excellent B&W.
I'm thinking if the end of the processing would be like your "Porden Reserviour 2 B+W. Very clear image without too much in the middle. Or like this or that. As I said push the high light even further, that meant losing detail, blown out the high light...it would look like a drawing... I'll try to upload what I meant....

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ErictheViking
ErictheViking e2 Member 1124 forum postsErictheViking vcard Scotland102 Constructive Critique Points
27 Mar 2013 - 9:15 AM

Really like the windows image Jasmine to get this kind of effect you need to lighten the mid tones after setting the shadows, as I said creating the B+W you want is a process shadows, mid tones and highlights. The shadows will keep the basic structure of your image, the mid tones is the fine detail and if you feel this is unnecessary to that image you lighten the mid tones to remove them and then the highlights lift all the light areas.

My Ponden Reservoir 2 B+W had a lot of help from the snow so I was really luck with this. B+W is all about experimentation as you have much more scope to adjust than with a colour image.

If I can help any more let me know, do you use a B+W processing software or do you process in a regular photo editor?

Erik Grin

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xwang
xwang  531 forum posts7 Constructive Critique Points
27 Mar 2013 - 4:06 PM

Thank you Erik.
I do like what I tried, but it's difficult for me to balance the basic rules, such as high light, shadows...etc. The high light has to be blown out, some of the detail has to be lost. I do a lot of architecture photos, I'm trying to make them more enjoyable rather than just a record, trying to emphasis what I see.
" B+W processing software"?
NO. You were right about B&W is all about experimentation. I was struggling to get B&W once, nearly bought Nik silver until Dave Yates came to our local club,perhaps 2012. I liked his Paris set and asked him what software he used. The answer was Photoshop. I mentioned Nik Silver, he said:".. don't bother..save your money..." I laughed. So, I'm saving my money, never bought Nik Silver pro. Even I'm not as good as he is but we are on the same track. Grin, the rest is as you said Experimenting.
Paul told me once about B&W, "..in the old days, black had to be black had to be black, white had to be white." I just use this as a principle ever since, and works well. It is so simple but I don't know how many people who are struggling as I was have grasped the most basic rule.
Thanks again Erik for your kind help.
Jas.

Last Modified By xwang at 27 Mar 2013 - 4:11 PM

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