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A picture I went a bit mad with. A colour original, converted and toned, and a car and a number of houses cloned out..... i quite like the composition and the tone, but would be interested to know what others think. Any comments of any kind very welcome!
| Title: | Boats |
| Username: | 
SueEley |
| Uploaded: | 29 Jan 2012 - 6:23 PM |
| Camera: | Nikon D300  Check out Nikon Nation! |
| Lens: | Nikon manual 24mm |
| Recording media: | RAW (digital) |
| Tags: | Black & white, Digitally manipulated, Landscape / travel |
| Votes: | Voting Disabled |
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"If you were after the sepia style image (which I believe this is) then the noise needs to be left"
Why is this Martin? Doesnt it really depend on what the intent is when Sepia is applied? If it deliberately an aging effect I agree with some grain, - but it is by no means a requirement otherwise.
W
Dust to dust. Grain and sepia belong together.
Moira
[quote] Why is this Martin? Doesnt it really depend on what the intent is when Sepia is applied? If it deliberately an aging effect I agree with some grain, - but it is by no means a requirement otherwise.
Well Willie we both seem to be passing judgment on this image with out knowing what the intended out come was but a sepia image needs a certain amount of noise, of course this is my opininion and you are entitled your yours.
Love & kisses
Martin
Love and kisses! I like that.
Its likely a matter of opinion, and your right in that Sue hasnt said it it was intended. However, - noise and grain are not the same thing.
Grain is evenly distributed throughout an image, and is most often monochcromatic. Digital noise, on the other hand is not evenly distributed, being most obvious in darker areas, and can be a mix of both luminance noise and chroma noise. Thats why grain, deliberately introduced into an image looks better, and intentional.
The amount of noise reduction in the mod is extremely small, - remember you looking at a much smaller image; and when sepia toning is applied, it significantly reduces contrast, which is better recovered to some extent.
Love and kisses to you also!
Regards
Willie
I love the old boat, Sue, and the newer one top left balancing the composition, with the lighter water running down the centre. I'm not entering into the grain debate, but do prefer Willie's first mod.
Pamela.
Hi Sue,
Quote: I love the old boat, Sue, and the newer one top left balancing the composition, with the lighter water running down the centre. I'm not entering into the grain debate
Agreed
However, I look at the image and something just doesn't gel for me and I can't quite put my finger on it. First of all I thought it might be the newer boat and I did think it was a bit bright so I darkened it but it didn't help. Then I thought it might be that I thought that the image was a bit busy so I cloned out the houses in the trees and a few things like the spotlight on the old shed. Still I couldn't put my finger on it. On my monitor there is a distinct purple tinge to the image so I reduced that but it still evades me.
Anyway, I've uploaded my mod with those changes just so you can see.
DaVeS
This shot has a nice feel to it. I think the tones are just a bit too heavy and prefer my sepia a bit lighter. However, the effect is decent here.
Interesting discussion on grain. Grain does not exist in digital images at all. It can be put there, or can be manufactured from noise, but as Willie says, it can then be of variable quality. Grain is silver crystals in an analogue image - thus no grain in digital. Grain increases in silver based emulsions as speed increases and the crystals then clump, giving larger grains. (The XP range of Ilford films used dye technology, so grain, with them, was a rather different issue.)
So, grain may go well with Sepia, but in digital terms, it will not be there unless you put it there.
Paul
Hi,
Thanks, everyone. There is very little noise in the original image, taken on a D300, albeit at iso 500 as I was tired at the end of a long walk and I shake a bit - it was not a bright day. I introduced grain, from a scan of film, into the image, but probably misjudged how much, as I agree the sky looks noisy rather than artistic, and it is probably a bit much in other places, too. I didn't want everything to look too smooth, though as I did want a slightly old feel to go with the subject and the toning. The picture has two tones, one of which is purplish and the other sepia but I was experimenting with this. It works better with some subjects than others, I think. Thanks for the all the comments and mods. A very interesting debate and it really helps me think about what I am doing. Sue.
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