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Hot off the press - taken less than two hours ago. Unfortunately, no mist, but a beautiful clear tranquil morning. The colour of the reflection in the water is deeper than the colour of the sky - I think I read somewhere once that this isn't good - any clarification, please?
Thanks for looking and for any criticisms and/or comments.
Ann
Just decided to upload another version, taking into the sunrise from the other side of the castle.

Brand:Canon
Camera:Canon EOS 400D
Lens:EF-S10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM
Recording media:JPEG (digital)
Title:Bodiam
Username:AnnChown AnnChown
Uploaded:3 Oct 2011 - 8:28 AM
Tags:Bodiam, Castle, Landscape / travel
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morpheus1955
3 Oct 2011 - 8:31 AM

Good morning Ann, what a superb shot, great light and composition, and those reflections are to die for.

Hugh

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PaulLiley
PaulLiley  5 United Kingdom13 Constructive Critique Points
3 Oct 2011 - 8:33 AM

Hi Ann. The colours might be a little deeper but none the worse for that. the reflections are stunning. Great composition. paul

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Richsr
Richsr e2 Member 790 forum postsRichsr vcard England210 Constructive Critique Points
3 Oct 2011 - 8:46 AM

Well worth the early start Ann, some nice reflections and colours.
Richard.

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barbarahirst
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3 Oct 2011 - 8:51 AM

the stillness caught here is overwhelming..

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franken
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3 Oct 2011 - 8:52 AM

Very nice, version 1 for me Ann.


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geffers7
geffers7 e2 Member 437 forum postsgeffers7 vcard United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
3 Oct 2011 - 8:52 AM

Some really nice colours there Ann and very good reflections.
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CaroleS
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3 Oct 2011 - 8:59 AM

Beautiful morning light and superb reflection Ann. Carole

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WhiteRose1
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3 Oct 2011 - 9:27 AM

v1, lovely image.

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RonnieAG
RonnieAG e2 Member 4139 forum postsRonnieAG vcard Scotland112 Constructive Critique Points
3 Oct 2011 - 9:40 AM

I can't explain the conundrum you pose today, Ann, but I remember reading something about this once: reflections can be darker or lighter and it all seems to relate to time of day, light quality and direction and other factors, but your image in V 1 looks completely natural so I would not be concerned in any way. Very well composed shot with excellent reflections in the flat calm waters. The colouring in V 2 is quite different, generally warmer, but it's V 1 for me of the two.
Ronnie.

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woolybill1
woolybill1 e2 Member 8woolybill1 vcard United Kingdom65 Constructive Critique Points
3 Oct 2011 - 9:51 AM

This is really rather lovely, Ann. The castle could be walking on the water, if you see what I mean. Outstanding clarity and a beautiful sky.

I haven't heard the one about respective tonal depth of original and reflection; it sounds more like someone's personal preference than an obvious fault.

Regards
Bill

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mrswoolybill Critique Team 7455 forum postsmrswoolybill vcard United Kingdom1031 Constructive Critique Points
3 Oct 2011 - 10:58 AM

Re the comparison between sky and reflection, I think it may be in part because the reflected sky doesn't go 'down' as far as the brighter light that we see at horizon level in the upper part of the image, so proportionally the reflection is darker.
This is a beautiful comparison, of the two I think V1 is the right lead, for composition, detail, clarity. But I love the tones in V2. A very gentle, very English dawn.
Moira

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3 Oct 2011 - 11:33 AM

How lovely to get up so early and be able to reach such picturesque scenery. Today is much better than yesterday thankfully. V1 today, for the clarity.
Chris

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Joeblowfromoz
3 Oct 2011 - 11:59 AM

What a absolutely superb shot, both of them, but I love the warmth of the colors in V2, and no matter about the reflections!!! they work and thats all that counts...Jo

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gingerdelight

I like them both very much Ann - but I think V1 just edges it for me today - just lovely!
Carol

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jonwebber  6 United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
3 Oct 2011 - 3:52 PM

Superb. V1 by one and one half a whisker.
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3 Oct 2011 - 4:11 PM

Fab pair of images Ann, but it's v1 for me

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3 Oct 2011 - 4:17 PM

A great duo, V1 with it's wonderful reflection and seems straighter..........Sandy

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fraser  10631 forum posts Scotland14 Constructive Critique Points
3 Oct 2011 - 5:48 PM

Lovely framing and detail Ann and I really like the quality of the soft light.

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3 Oct 2011 - 5:55 PM


Quote: A great duo, V1 with it's wonderful reflection and seems straighter..........Sandy

Sandy - you're absolutely right; I think v2 needs to be straightened a bit!
Ann

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3 Oct 2011 - 6:07 PM

The sun lights up the sky directly, but the water is only indirectly lit, ergo the reflection will naturally be slightly darker. Later in the day when the sun is higher, the sky and reflection will be more identical.

V1 for me today, Ann, but don't ask why as I don't know myself!

Malc

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3 Oct 2011 - 6:10 PM

Two lovely images. Both good and I really can't choose between them.

Sue Smile

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MartPics  8 United Kingdom
3 Oct 2011 - 6:14 PM

2nd image for me Ann, love the colour.

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nikshot  5 United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
3 Oct 2011 - 6:14 PM

Both lovely shots Ann, I like the tones in V2 strait or not.

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3 Oct 2011 - 7:35 PM

What tremendous record Ann. Fantastic.

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3 Oct 2011 - 10:56 PM

Both wonderful shots Ann. V1 just edges it for me with the clarity of the reflection and the fab early morning light.
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AshTree  51702 forum posts England6 Constructive Critique Points
3 Oct 2011 - 11:18 PM

I love to see this sort of comparison, the same subject taken from two opposing angles - the difference in lighting effect can be so striking. V1 is so perfect, wonderful clarity of detail and a beautiful sky..... but V2 gets my vote for the soft warm tones which lend an air of enchantment, like a fairy tale castle.
Theresa

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3 Oct 2011 - 11:21 PM

v2 LOVE THE LIGHT

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3 Oct 2011 - 11:27 PM

V1 for me Ann - I like the deep dark shadows from the early light.
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4 Oct 2011 - 8:09 AM

The reflection is normally darker than the reality, it's a rule of thumb and the phsics is beyond me, but it dos look better that way, I do a lot of reflection shots and have played about with some.

You missed the mist here but it's till a very attractive image Ann. You'll be back no doubt.

Dougie

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4 Oct 2011 - 10:47 AM

who needs mist when you have such stunningly beautiful reflections!! Well done Ann. Smile

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4 Oct 2011 - 7:47 PM

Great view point Ann.

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derekhansen
derekhansen e2 Member 6185 forum postsderekhansen vcard United Kingdom24 Constructive Critique Points
4 Oct 2011 - 10:01 PM

Hi Ann
2 lovely images. On balance I think I prefer V2. The composition works better IMO.
Re relative light/dark of reflected skies. As Dougie and Malc have said the reflected tones would normally be darker so you have it correct in your image. I have learnt to be careful with ND grads when I am using them on images with reflections in water. I tend to use soft grads with lakes which seems to keep things looking quite natural.
Is V2 an older shot? Looks to me like a sunset rather than a sunrise due to the position of the sun. (Unless you have done some really complicated work in post production)
Derek

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