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This is the Tornado role demo pair at Farnborough Sunday 15th July 2012.

The image was a frame filler, but it was filthy weather, and try as I might I can't get the post processing right, so I thought I'd ask you, the good folks at ePhotozine, for some suggestions.

Camera:Canon EOS 7D
Lens:Canon 500mm F4 L IS
Recording media:RAW (digital)
Date Taken:15 Jul 2012 - 3:24 PM
Focal Length:500mm
Lens Max Aperture:f/4
Aperture:f/6.3
Shutter Speed:1/500sec
ISO:320
Title:Break Right
Username:Ian-Jones Ian-Jones
Uploaded:18 Aug 2012 - 10:31 PM
Tags:Airshow, Farnborough, Raf, Sports / action, Tornado
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banehawi
banehawi Critique Team 10866 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada2862 Constructive Critique Points
19 Aug 2012 - 12:47 AM

Grey Tornados against a grey sky, - not the best weather! Did well to even see the jets. Pity the after burners werent on either. But a very good effort.

Tried a mod, giving some more contrast and sharpness to the planes, and adding some sky to change the crop so the planes are more to the right and lower in the frame.



regards



Willie

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Sooty_1
Sooty_1 Critique Team 41207 forum posts United Kingdom198 Constructive Critique Points
19 Aug 2012 - 1:39 AM

Looks more like they are colliding than formating. A good moment, but they are a bit too close - more separation would actually aid the shot here. It's also better if they are coming towards rather than away, but not much you can do about that!
If they were in reheat, with the wings swept, they would get close to the speed of sound quite quickly, so you would be lucky to catch them in that configuration, but that would also cause more distortion due to the hotter efflux.

A good attampt, nonetheless and Willie's mod helps clean the image up a bit.

Nick

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JohnnyG
JohnnyG  2 Canada
19 Aug 2012 - 10:12 PM

I use Lightroom 4 for most of my processing. In this case I would use the adjustment brush a couple of times to add a bit more exposure and clarity to the planes. I think 2 passes with high clarity would really give some punch. Then a slight lower exposure setting on a new brush for the sky. You can do the same with adobe raw. The auto mask in both programs works great to make sure you don't spill over into unwanted areas.

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JohnnyG
JohnnyG  2 Canada
20 Aug 2012 - 2:19 AM

I did a modification but it was a bit rough due to time constraints and the fact that it wasn't the RAW file. Still, I think I brought out the detail more.

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Focus_Man
Focus_Man  4481 forum posts United Kingdom631 Constructive Critique Points
20 Aug 2012 - 9:27 AM

Well grabbed here but there is no sense of movement possible with the lack of separation you have shown. the lighting was against you but I think that as you were at a FL of 500mm and 1/500sec was the minimum shutter speed I would recommend, I would possible have raised my ISO to allow a shutter speed of 1/750sec minimum with an aperture of f8.

To get this picture as you have done took some skill anyway so well done.

Frank

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Davesumner
21 Aug 2012 - 4:23 AM

Hi Ian,

For me the filthy weather is what makes airshow shots, there's nothing worse than planes in blue skies. I agree with all the points above in regards to seperation, I think about 1 - 2 seconds later and this would have had the required gaps. With regards to shooting the back rather than the front of the plane, I'm not too sure, the front tends to be a bit squeeky clean whereas the rear is full of all sorts of things like jet pipes and the like.

With regards to the shot, it is a little dark in the middle of the planes but this is easily fixed in ACR. Yes, the planes are a similar colour to the sky but they stand out enough for me. I think the long lens has flattened the image a lot which makes them look a lot closer together than they actually are. I took some airshow shots here in Melbourne at Point Cook and the weather was pretty much the same as your weather and for me those were the shots I kept whereas the blue sky which was in the other direction didn't produce much at all.

I do think timing is everything in these shots and blazing away on continuous mode isn't the right method for capturing good airshow images. You tend to rely on the camera catching the action rather than trying to look for a good shot through the viewfinder and capturing it at the right moment.

Here are my attempts just for a comparison Airshow Images

I had a quick go at a mod where I lightened the planes using the fill light slider in ACR and then added some contrast. I darkened the exposure of the sky in PS and then added some colour. I then sharpened.

Hope this helps

DaVeS

Last Modified By Davesumner at 21 Aug 2012 - 4:25 AM

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paulbroad
paulbroad  781 forum posts United Kingdom851 Constructive Critique Points
22 Aug 2012 - 8:05 AM

I've tried a quick mod - only needs the dodge and burning in tool to improve I think - no need to over complicate. The weather was against you and I prefer the blue sky/clouds approach if available. With jet aircraft and a more simple outline, you could try a sky replacement but balancing lighting would not be easy.

Paul

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FeatherFriend
FeatherFriend e2 Member 625 forum postsFeatherFriend vcard England217 Constructive Critique Points
24 Aug 2012 - 1:43 PM

I think you have done extremely well considering the dull conditions Ian, some good suggestions here,
Geoff.

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Ian-Jones
Ian-Jones e2 Member 10129 forum postsIan-Jones vcard United Kingdom2 Constructive Critique Points
7 Sep 2012 - 3:52 PM

Apologies for not responding sooner fellas. It has been a hectic few weeks. Anyway, thanks for all your hard work and suggestions. I tried a few, but I must confess the easiest thing for me will be to try again when the weather's better.

Ian

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