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I don't want to get into politics too much, this is a photo site, but if you are interested in I'll leave a link here about the title:Busy! Struggle for freedom since 70's.. It was the sign on the new station ( the old one was demolished in 2010 ) I just borrowed it, and thought that the struggling man behind the 'fence', ...the youngish women walked towards the opposite direction, the modern new building. The rest is your translation in human life, Freedom and Struggling....in politics and daily lifeGrin
My question is that anything else I should do about the photo. This is nearly original, I only corrected a little perspective and turned it into B&W, gave it a bit sense of history. Thanks for looking, all comments and criticisms are welcome.

Brand:Canon
Camera:Canon EOS 50D
Lens:EF-S18-200mm f/3.5-5.6 IS
Recording media:RAW (digital)
Date Taken:15 May 2012 - 3:13 PM
Focal Length:20mm
Lens Max Aperture:f/3.5
Aperture:f/13.0
Shutter Speed:1/250sec
Exposure Comp:0.0
ISO:160
Exposure Mode:Manual
Metering Mode:Partial
Flash:Off, Did not fire
White Balance:Auto
Title:Busy! Struggle for freedom since 70's
Username:xwang xwang
Uploaded:27 Mar 2013 - 6:14 PM
Tags:Black & white, Fence, Freedom, General, Humour / fun, Man, Station, Struggling, Women
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NDODS
NDODS e2 Member 43233 forum postsNDODS vcard United Kingdom103 Constructive Critique Points
27 Mar 2013 - 7:24 PM

Interesting and well worth follow-up research supported by a great image one which tells the story so very well.

Nathan

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lonely_oryx
lonely_oryx e2 Member 661 forum postslonely_oryx vcard England54 Constructive Critique Points
27 Mar 2013 - 8:02 PM

I like the figure caught between the railings. Looks like he is trapped and needs his freedom

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rayme330
rayme330 e2 Member 2rayme330 vcard United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
27 Mar 2013 - 9:58 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

A well taken and well timed shot, Jasmine, with an interesting theme.

Ray

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nonur
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27 Mar 2013 - 10:14 PM

I like this compo with people, a lot. Works well in mono.

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leontari
leontari e2 Member 1leontari vcard Greece
28 Mar 2013 - 7:01 AM

A lovely mono composition Isabel. I like the figure between the bars!
Effrossini

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LynneJoyce
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28 Mar 2013 - 7:07 AM

An interesting private view of life through the railings.

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iancrowson
iancrowson e2 Member 4211 forum postsiancrowson vcard United Kingdom129 Constructive Critique Points
28 Mar 2013 - 9:08 AM

This picture quality and the BW conversion look fine.
Camera settings look fine.
I'm sorry the point or the story told by the photo totally escapes me. If the woman were much larger and prominent, say the other side of the railings and walking the opposite way to the man more of a point might be made. (you could drop one in in PS)
I guessing this is Vienna from your link, a place I don't associate with any kind of recent struggle.
I spent some time looking at the man and the rubbish on the ground on the right of the railings but failed to make a connection, before I spotted the two women.
Perhaps a return visit, a slightly wider camera angle to get the full figure of the man and wait for someone suitable to some the other way.

Last Modified By iancrowson at 28 Mar 2013 - 9:10 AM

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mrswoolybill Critique Team 7435 forum postsmrswoolybill vcard United Kingdom1020 Constructive Critique Points
28 Mar 2013 - 9:36 AMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

There's a strong abstract in the light and shadow on those railings. But I've looked a couple of times and I am not getting any sense of the political message. It's good that we can see a figure framed by the lines, but he doesn't convey struggle, he seems to be enjoying his walk.
Good b&w, strong and hard. Maybe that's the story in itself.
Moira

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xwang
xwang  531 forum posts7 Constructive Critique Points
28 Mar 2013 - 12:27 PM

I'm sorry Ian that you didn't get the message. It was the sign on the new station wall. An exhibition in Vienna museum. The political movement was in 70's. ( see link). I don't want to make any political statement, it's your own interpretation and your knowledge. The old man, I presume he knew the movement, maybe he was part of it, who knows? What do the youngish people think about the ideology,politics nowadays? How much one can change life behind the ' railings'? What is the true nature of freedom? To answer this, perhaps we have to go back to study our brain, to understand where our thoughts come from...I expect that quantum mechanics will get the answer one day, but unlikely when I'm alive. What I hear or see is relative freedom and endless struggling.
Thank you Moira.
Thank you all.

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iancrowson
iancrowson e2 Member 4211 forum postsiancrowson vcard United Kingdom129 Constructive Critique Points
28 Mar 2013 - 12:46 PM

I understand the need for freedom and over the years have seen dozens of images which shout very graphically about various causes.
Sorry I did not get your message from the photo, maybe if I was a german speaking Austrian, but to me as an average viewer it's far over my head.
If your interested in photo journalism I suggest you study back issues of the Sunday times Magazine which goes back to the 1960's and has covered many struggles with some fine images.
I work on the view that if you have to describe with words what a picture is about then it does not tell a story.
When you post in the critique gallery you must expect to be offered a range of views and advice.
You always have plenty of people telling you what a lovely image you have posted, but do these comments help you improve?
Ian

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mrswoolybill Critique Team 7435 forum postsmrswoolybill vcard United Kingdom1020 Constructive Critique Points
28 Mar 2013 - 1:35 PM

It's a tricky one - we take pictures that mean something to us personally, but then we also want other people to understand what it was that we saw and felt at that precise moment. Once images are uploaded here they are effectively open for everyone to interpret in their own way. I do see a strong political slogan, from an age that was more serious, and it contrasts with brash modernity. But I am also seeing a sunny, relaxed scene. No sense of struggle.
Can I suggest that there are two subjects overlapping here, the strong abstract of the railings, and the combination of the slogan and the old man, and it would have worked better from the viewer's perspective if you had taken two separate pictures?
Moira

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xwang  531 forum posts7 Constructive Critique Points
28 Mar 2013 - 2:34 PM

Moira,
I saw that your comment was marked as Constructive Critique. I'm not sure if I marked it or not. I was on tablet , and it was hard to navigate the page. If it was me, it was a mistake, but it doesn't mean that your comment is not constructive. Everybody's comment constructs something one way or another..it depends on who decides if it's constructive or not, I don't need somebody else to prove. So, please don't be mistaken, simply I don't use this function. Up to understanding a photo, it all depends on own intelligence, education, knowledge, culture, background ... etc. It is impossible to get the same conclusion, we all see things differently. So, it doesn't matter if one can understand an image as the photographer does at all. As in this case, I see he was struggling, you see he was enjoying ... it's perfect fine, just different interpretation.
Ian,
Thank you for your advice. I always post my photos in this gallery. I've learned a lot what I need to learn. I think that I have answered about how to understand the photo, it's not important at all. All depend on your mind.

Quote: You always have plenty of people telling you what a lovely image you have posted, but do these comments help you improve?

This is a very old question on EPZ and has a complicated answers, surely you can find out on EPZ.
Jasmine

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xwang  531 forum posts7 Constructive Critique Points
28 Mar 2013 - 4:41 PM

Sorry, about the English, I was in a hurry... approve, a answer, or answers.

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paulbroad
paulbroad  781 forum posts United Kingdom851 Constructive Critique Points
28 Mar 2013 - 5:21 PM

It is a strong image, but I didn't get the message either. My German is very limited and the sign, whilst part of the image, pulls the eye to the point where I might consider cropping down to the image being mostly the railings with the old man?

Paul

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xwang
xwang  531 forum posts7 Constructive Critique Points
28 Mar 2013 - 9:51 PM

Thank you very much,Paul.
I did think of that, that is the question or answer that I was looking for. What I wasn't sure was the BAHN's "N", (railway station) would be lost if I got rid of that empty space. I agree that part doesn't contribute much if the focal centre is the railing and left side.
Part of the thought was that nowadays people are 'struggling' to modernise everything to keep them 'busy', for better or for worse? The old building looked quite nice... It's a bit like Nottingham railway station on my previous uploading that Tony mentioned. I haven't found out what it's like now....
Thanks again,Paul.

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ErictheViking
ErictheViking e2 Member 1124 forum postsErictheViking vcard Scotland102 Constructive Critique Points
30 Mar 2013 - 12:24 PM

Only just had a chance to comment on this image Jasmine. Not sure about the message but sumtimes its the sequence of images that displays the image and not a single image.

For me this is a much stronger B+W image with a good neutral grey level I think for me the lines in the paving could be slightly stronger to show the way they compliment the direction of the barrier but thatís my only suggestion.

Erik Grin

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xwang  531 forum posts7 Constructive Critique Points
30 Mar 2013 - 6:06 PM

Thank you Erik.

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elainebaker
8 Apr 2013 - 8:24 PM

A great image. Once again. Elaine SmileSmile

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