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Massive thanks to Eric, Dave, Penny, Stace and Mick for their really helpful tips

And for all the other C&Cís of course :

I done everything you said (to the best of my ability of course)
And this is what I came up with
What dya think? Any better ?
(Marks outta 10 please on the PS skills development) Smile
Thank you so very much !

Diana

Camera:Nikon D300 Check out Nikon Nation!
Lens:35-70mm
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Username:Diana Diana
Uploaded:4 Jan 2010 - 12:02 AM
Tags:Flash / lighting, Portraits / people
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colmar
colmar  742 forum posts Scotland35 Constructive Critique Points
4 Jan 2010 - 12:07 AM

Marks out of ten ye say 9 ! Wonderful image and whilst the originals were grand this is that bit better again a winner for me ! Thanks for sharing it Colin

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morpheus1955
morpheus1955 e2 Member 7morpheus1955 vcard United Kingdom2 Constructive Critique Points
4 Jan 2010 - 12:07 AM

Excellent image Diana, I love the processing, great stuff me thinks.

Hugh

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Diana
Diana e2 Member 72011 forum postsDiana vcard Netherlands19 Constructive Critique Points
4 Jan 2010 - 12:08 AM

nines great thanks Smile

Diana

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taggart
taggart e2 Member 1042 forum poststaggart vcard United States12 Constructive Critique Points
4 Jan 2010 - 12:12 AM

Yes an improvement-- somewhere around 10!
Jennnnn

Little less glitz and a little more real-- poignant!

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Diana
Diana e2 Member 72011 forum postsDiana vcard Netherlands19 Constructive Critique Points
4 Jan 2010 - 12:15 AM

10's brill!

better raindrops this time

thanks Jennnnnn

Diana

all credit to those who gave me tips on the previous upload though !

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BlueRoom
BlueRoom e2 Member 873 forum postsBlueRoom vcard United Kingdom20 Constructive Critique Points
4 Jan 2010 - 1:21 AM

I think you've sorted out pretty much everything here, the drops are nice and clean ann the colour adds a lot of punch. Smile You've softened the shoulder nicely but left a hard white edge on the bandage which really suits this image and gives it a style of its own.
Since you ask I'm going to give you 9. The one is knocked off because for my taste those drops are just too big... but that's an artistic judgement and very much a matter of opinion.
A super classy image though and worth every hour you've put into it.

Eric

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Diana
Diana e2 Member 72011 forum postsDiana vcard Netherlands19 Constructive Critique Points
4 Jan 2010 - 1:26 AM

How did you know it took me hours lol

thank you so much

10 outta 10 to you for the feedback and help though

I learned loads and that is really appreciated

(I preferred yesterday's for the dirtiness of it, but the techs were not right)

no excuse now for future work lol

Diana

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BlueRoom e2 Member 873 forum postsBlueRoom vcard United Kingdom20 Constructive Critique Points
4 Jan 2010 - 1:42 AM


Quote: How did you know it took me hours

I know how long it takes me. Smile

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clicknimagine

i prefer your last image, because the bright blue area is certainly dominating the portrait here, i think, although it is your choice, and obviously it is a beautiful one, very well done...

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andy210966
4 Jan 2010 - 7:19 AM

It's been good to see the evolution of this image Diana! I have posted a small mod for you - not any better just a couple of differences.

Good bold image here! Well done

Andy

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accipiter
accipiter e2 Member 4accipiter vcard England57 Constructive Critique Points
4 Jan 2010 - 7:34 AM

Well made and interesting shot. A

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gary_d
gary_d e2 Member 6538 forum postsgary_d vcard Wales13 Constructive Critique Points
4 Jan 2010 - 8:02 AM

Whether its better than before or just different is down to personal choice I like them all and Andy's mod throws another one in the mix which is different again. - gary

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photophantom
4 Jan 2010 - 8:03 AM

excellent

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imagio  8 England1 Constructive Critique Points
4 Jan 2010 - 9:00 AM

10 out of 10 Diana, powerful and menacing

Bernie

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mrswoolybill Critique Team 7439 forum postsmrswoolybill vcard United Kingdom1026 Constructive Critique Points
4 Jan 2010 - 9:36 AM

Less confusing. But I did like the 'dirtiness' of yesterday's...
Moira

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sherring
sherring  646 forum posts United Kingdom13 Constructive Critique Points
4 Jan 2010 - 10:02 AM

Yes it looks better than before. Well done.

Steve.

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Diana
Diana e2 Member 72011 forum postsDiana vcard Netherlands19 Constructive Critique Points
4 Jan 2010 - 10:27 AM

Morning,

the possibilities are endless arent they? thanks Andy for another interpretation, fab idea....love the wound great stuff (how'd you do that then?)

I'm not after marks outta 10 from everyone one lol just the few that gave me those tips to see if I carried them out OK so dont worry about that

so thanks for the comments and all, but this was really an exercise in learning some of those so generously given tips

have a great day ....

Diana

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MickS  9 England14 Constructive Critique Points
4 Jan 2010 - 11:07 AMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Watcha Diana,
still a good pic, but, for me, it hasn't resolved the tension between the rough frame - bandaged hand, and the pretty blue background. The pretty girl and rough bits go together, although a fighter without scars is a contradiction in terms, the mod by Andy has helped to resolve that. I am still of the opinion that the blue, clean background is killing the pic.
Photoshop skills, as I'm on about 2/10, I'm not really in a position to judge, but I'd have to put you up in the higher numbersSmile
best
Mick

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Stace
Stace e2 Member 6Stace vcard England2 Constructive Critique Points
4 Jan 2010 - 11:58 AM

9.999999999 recurring Smile

Stace x

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MickS
MickS  9 England14 Constructive Critique Points
4 Jan 2010 - 12:19 PM

Watcha Diana,
I've just had another look over the pics this girl in her fighter scenario, I have to say, the 1st? in the lot, nobody talks about fight club, slightly different pose I know, Is the best. Perhaps too much work on the face, and the epz black is doing nowt for the pic, but, it shows what it is and still has the tension.
best
Mick

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Bob_V
Bob_V  7 United States2 Constructive Critique Points
4 Jan 2010 - 3:13 PM

Simply brilliant Diana.
Bob

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Christopher_Malpas

Brilliant shot

Christopher

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cirrusminor e2 Member 6380 forum postscirrusminor vcard England3 Constructive Critique Points
4 Jan 2010 - 7:17 PM

Oh WOW.... what a difference Smile
Great work Diana!
Tim

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Eviscera
Eviscera e2 Member 81104 forum postsEviscera vcard United Kingdom149 Constructive Critique Points
4 Jan 2010 - 7:40 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Hidey Di !

Massive improvement.

Its a 7 from me (only personal crit as an arty farty)

From 10 it lost points as follows.

1. For the hair cut out. The dead give-away is the haloing and the fact that the rain doesn't appear behind some of it. What extraction method are you using ?

2.The drops are round now (good stuff) but way to big. Raindrops are only the size of peas ya know. These are like meteors !

3. The blues aren't being sympathetic with the mono face. Colour balance needs to be a very subtle marriage. Desaturating just the blues/magentas might work better.

4.Its to "clean" , the frames a good grungy choice but she needs beeting up a bit , like after the action.

And from a purely imagination thingy , I was looking for a "lock" as the blood is just on her bandage , so did ya a quick mod.

Tin hat !
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Roly
Roly  7 Wales
4 Jan 2010 - 8:19 PM

I like the way that this shot is developing.Good work.

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Diana
Diana e2 Member 72011 forum postsDiana vcard Netherlands19 Constructive Critique Points
4 Jan 2010 - 9:07 PM

Hya,
Thank you again....

you are dead right about dirtying her face up and Andy has kindly told me how to do scars now, so thatís great....thank you

thank you Mick for the mod, the BG is all blurred now and thatís what I thought I had to avoid, oh well.

I liked fight club the best too. albeit a bit too grunged on her face (you're right)

Dave thank you for the mod too

1. The raindrops had a white bit where you mention, so couldnít help that bit, I added a layer mask a brushed the meteors out of her face and hair with a soft brush.

2. It was the only raindrops texture I could find (at the time) and hey, I like meteors! (but I get the point)

3. Iím not that great with tonal stuff...and I canít do that saturation bit yet, but Iíll be working on that Smile

4. Yeah well I was only concentrating on the skills alluded to in the previous upload..itís a great start though donít ya think ?

The grunging of Phoebe is fab, but way beyond my current skills, or is it a layer then and did you blend it (ooh I can say that now!) and which blend mode did you use please or did you brush bits out and not blend it.

So thanks for the honesty, all of you. Been really helpful..... no tin hat necessary from me (but you may need one when Phoebe sees this!)

Sheís the boxer!

Thank you for the other comments and clicks, most kind and very helpful

And any time any of you need help with lightpainting aliens you know where I am Wink

Diana
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Eviscera
Eviscera e2 Member 81104 forum postsEviscera vcard United Kingdom149 Constructive Critique Points
4 Jan 2010 - 9:26 PM

How about we open up a digital arty help room in that meeting group place. ?

I can show you the blends and stuff , but I'm not going to be a Billy no mates in there !

P.S Phoebe would look good in a bin bag she's pretty !

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Diana
Diana e2 Member 72011 forum postsDiana vcard Netherlands19 Constructive Critique Points
4 Jan 2010 - 9:31 PM

Hell Yeah !

I'll be right behind you Smile

Thanks for that about Phoebe Smile

I have a (Brazillian coffee) sack (look good in a sack) already (remember the famous Marilyn Monroe shot in a sack)

but she wont wear it cos its all rough on the inside....but I'm working in it Wink

start the group and linky me Please

fab idea

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andy210966
5 Jan 2010 - 11:44 AM

Count me in too!

Andy

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Diana
Diana e2 Member 72011 forum postsDiana vcard Netherlands19 Constructive Critique Points
5 Jan 2010 - 10:27 PM

Andy thanks I have only just seen this mod, thats a bit different, kind of how my practice went today, but I wasnt keen on the texture on her face in that one (killing me softly that is)

this is good though and thanks for taking the time

She looks even rougher here with your mod lol

Diana

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