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A very good friend and great photographer has suggested my images have a colour cast on them, I can only think its in the editing and contrast added, I would appreciate some feedback as to whether or not you may agree with the colour cast problem as I am wanting to get this right if possible - open for mods and critique please. I have not adjusted the contrast much today but if you have time to view yesterdays image - that may tell a different story here

Brand:NIKON CORPORATION
Camera:Nikon D300 Check out Nikon Nation!
Lens:18.0-70.0 mm f/3.5-4.5
Recording media:RAW (digital)
Date Taken:2 Nov 2011 - 3:16 PM
Focal Length:52mm
Lens Max Aperture:f/4.4
Aperture:f/10.0
Shutter Speed:1/50sec
Exposure Comp:-1/3
ISO:400
Exposure Mode:Aperture-priority AE
Metering Mode:Multi-segment
Flash:No Flash
Title:Church at Bradenhams Oxon
Username:pluckyfilly pluckyfilly
Uploaded:4 Mar 2012 - 1:57 PM
Tags:General, Landscape / travel
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CarolG
CarolG e2 Member 7137 forum postsCarolG vcard Greece18 Constructive Critique Points
4 Mar 2012 - 2:12 PM

Definitely V.2 for me, Ann, the colours and brightness are a lot better. A beautiful church in wonderful surroundings, well captured. Carol

RonnieAG
RonnieAG e2 Member 4139 forum postsRonnieAG vcard Scotland112 Constructive Critique Points
4 Mar 2012 - 2:16 PM

A very good shot of this fine old church, Ann, and of the two versions, I prefer V 1 with the slightly increased contrast in the trees......subtly done so as not to detract from the main subject.
Regarding the colour cast, it is difficult to comment without knowing your camera settings and details about your post-capture processing. I do notice a generalised warmish tone to many of your images, and in autumn and winter this will not go amiss........perhaps at other seasons it might be less desirable. I find that if I set both my D700 and D7000 to "cloudy" in White Balance, there is a very pronounced warming of the image, and it's even more pronounced with my compact, Canon G9. Just wondering if for yourself it could be anything to do with your White Balance settings.
Sorry, can'y think of anything more clever, but there will be others who may be able to offer more.
Regards, Ronnie.

Last Modified By RonnieAG at 4 Mar 2012 - 2:17 PM
pluckyfilly
pluckyfilly e2 Member 8283 forum postspluckyfilly vcard United Kingdom33 Constructive Critique Points
4 Mar 2012 - 2:23 PM


Quote: Regarding the colour cast, it is difficult to comment without knowing your camera settings and details about your post-capture processing. I do notice a generalised warmish tone to many of your images, and in autumn and winter this will not go amiss........perhaps at other seasons it might be less desirable

Thanks Ronnie - my white balance is set on auto

MossyOak
MossyOak  2 England15 Constructive Critique Points
4 Mar 2012 - 2:33 PM

Who's clock is wrong Ann. Smile
Very good image with the compact V1 for me. Think I might try a MOD here.
Richard

Maiwand
Maiwand e2 Member 7Maiwand vcard England69 Constructive Critique Points
4 Mar 2012 - 2:47 PM

Hi Ann. Not clever enough at this PS lark to make any knowledgeable comments. Of these two shots I do find the colours on V2 more acceptable.
Ron

MossyOak
MossyOak  2 England15 Constructive Critique Points
4 Mar 2012 - 2:58 PM

The colours look true Ann and V1 has the added vibrancy which lacks in V2. Contrast as well is very good in V1. Overall V2 is more of a matt appearance whereas V1 is more alive.
Out of interest do you have a UV or skylight filter on that lens and also a lens hood?
Richard

mhfore
mhfore  7 England176 Constructive Critique Points
4 Mar 2012 - 3:39 PM

Hi Ann,

In my opinion only I do think you have added a warming tone to the image, which, as you said could have been done in your processing. In the mod I have removed the warm tone, straightened the image and moved the church more to the right by cropping and then adding more canvas to the left. See what you think.

Take care

Martin

WeeGeordieLass
WeeGeordieLass e2 Member 2344 forum postsWeeGeordieLass vcard England
4 Mar 2012 - 3:55 PM

Hello Ann,


Quote: Thanks Ronnie - my white balance is set on auto

I'm just learning about photography and post-capture processing so apologies in advance if I'm mentioning something that you already know.

I notice that your recording media for this shot was RAW. I've started to shoot in RAW and have found it's great for seeing different colour casts in an image. I couldn't see any casts in my pics before this.

I use Elements 10, and when I open a NEF (I have a Nikon D3100) image up in the Elements Editor, there is an option to change the White Balance settings that were set in the camera when the image was first shot.

There are about 9 different white balance settings and you can see the colour casts change in the image as you select each option, and you can change the white balance if you didn't set your camera up correctly when you took the shot.

I think you will probably be able to do this in the various version of Photoshop also.

Hope this helps.

Also it's v1 for me

Cheers

Elaine

pluckyfilly
pluckyfilly e2 Member 8283 forum postspluckyfilly vcard United Kingdom33 Constructive Critique Points
4 Mar 2012 - 4:03 PM


Quote: The colours look true Ann and V1 has the added vibrancy which lacks in V2. Contrast as well is very good in V1. Overall V2 is more of a matt appearance whereas V1 is more alive.
Out of interest do you have a UV or skylight filter on that lens and also a lens hood?
Richard

it wasnt taken with the compact Richard it was the Nikon D300 I used if I remember correctly the 18-70 lens and yes it does have a lens hood, will check out the filter not sure of that one but always some filter in place if only to protect the lens glass

pluckyfilly
pluckyfilly e2 Member 8283 forum postspluckyfilly vcard United Kingdom33 Constructive Critique Points
4 Mar 2012 - 4:07 PM


Quote: I think you will probably be able to do this in the various version of Photoshop also.

yes I can change some of the white balance settings but it doesnt offer the suggestion to change for a sunny day and I tried all of that in the original with little change, I am convinced its in the processing and contrast added - thanks for your suggestion tho, appreciated.

RonnieAG
RonnieAG e2 Member 4139 forum postsRonnieAG vcard Scotland112 Constructive Critique Points
4 Mar 2012 - 4:59 PM

Interesting to read the comments of others.......I find that when set to 'Auto' in White Balance there is general coolness in tones in my images, from what you say, Ann, it does sound as the colour cast you refer to comes from the processing.
Ronnie.

WhiteRose1
WhiteRose1 e2 Member 41066 forum postsWhiteRose1 vcard England136 Constructive Critique Points
4 Mar 2012 - 5:12 PM

My twopenneth - your previous upload has a 'warm' tone to it but does look deliberate from the processing, and is a better image for it.

Apart from the slight straightening which Martin has done I can't see anything wrong with v1. The extra contrast is good and the warm tone from your previous is nowhere as strong.

I must admit I tend to let the WB sort itself out on auto then adjust 'to taste' when processing.

At the end of the day it's a good image Ann.

Dave

Jestertheclown

If you're shooting in RAW and processing your images in Lightroom or PS, then setting your white balance in camera makes very little difference because you're going to change it anyway.
Mine is and always has been set to "auto".

Last Modified By Jestertheclown at 4 Mar 2012 - 5:19 PM
barbarahirst
barbarahirst e2 Member 6barbarahirst vcard United Kingdom10 Constructive Critique Points
4 Mar 2012 - 5:21 PM

not sure where you are at with this one
But I prefer V2 if thats of any help Smile

achieverswales

V1 for me Ann, must say I love the warming colours, more than enough advice to keep you going at the moment.

Regards

Trev.

Hop-A-Long
4 Mar 2012 - 7:14 PM

I like the lift you have given the foliage in V1. Good images.

Andy

bricurtis
bricurtis e2 Member 91909 forum postsbricurtis vcard England48 Constructive Critique Points
4 Mar 2012 - 8:30 PM

V1 looks about riaght to me Ann.
Re your cast on previous. I think as has been said there is a warm look that needs sorting - best done in Raw. Get the best WB setting then if needed perhaps knock the warmth slider back a bit.
Brian.

bricurtis
bricurtis e2 Member 91909 forum postsbricurtis vcard England48 Constructive Critique Points
4 Mar 2012 - 9:21 PM

Came back for another look Ann. Quick mod -Straightened,cropped, adj levels to give it a lift. Nothing technical.Smile
Brian.

Last Modified By bricurtis at 4 Mar 2012 - 9:21 PM
Brian65
Brian65 e2 Member 5Brian65 vcard United Kingdom
4 Mar 2012 - 9:48 PM

Cant help Ann, looks fine to meSmileSmileSmile

mikbee
mikbee e2 Member 7mikbee vcard Scotland7 Constructive Critique Points
4 Mar 2012 - 11:59 PM

Colours look fine to me in V1 Ann.
I think we all see colours slightly different on our individual monitors !!
Mick.

TrevBatWCC
TrevBatWCC e2 Member 6TrevBatWCC vcard England8 Constructive Critique Points
5 Mar 2012 - 3:07 PM

Definitely V1 for me, Ann, it brings out the detail and colours in the trees more than in V2. The colour balance looks spot-on to me. As regards this, I always shoot on auto white balance and correct the colour balance if necessary when processing the Raw file. It can depend on how your monitor's calibrated, and there's no right or wrong I don't think - it's how you intepret the scene and want it to look Smile
Trev Smile

Gray_ina
Gray_ina  6
5 Mar 2012 - 5:26 PM

Hi Ann I will leave it to trhe experts v1 for me gray

Suehh
Suehh  739 forum posts England6 Constructive Critique Points
6 Mar 2012 - 7:15 PM

It has been very interesting reading the comments here Ann. Personally, I would go with V1 and Brian's mod.

I like the clear bright vibrancy in your images.

Glostopcat
Glostopcat e2 Member 8235 forum postsGlostopcat vcard England2 Constructive Critique Points
7 Mar 2012 - 6:22 PM

V1 looks fine to me Ann, the colours appear natural and not overcooked like on certain images. I had a similar problem with a few of my shots last autumn, I reckon the cold and damp may have caused/contributed towards the colour cast. I had it in the corners and around the edges of some of my Bourton pics.

Jocelia
Jocelia e2 Member 3Jocelia vcard Australia1 Constructive Critique Points
8 Mar 2012 - 5:14 AM

I like this enhancement of V1 Ann as it brings out the richness of the capture.
The old Norman style church has a lot going for it with those colourful bricks from
the wall and portico. The roof on the tower has been modernised I see but it still would
look good at various angles………Nice one…..Jocelia

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