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This is a similiar Version from a photo I uploaded a few days ago.
The City should be the main Point with the Sea and the Stone in front.
I tried to use the Advice from ErictheViking from yesterday.

These are my first tries with Long Time Exposure.

I will upload the Original photo as Variant.

Brand:NIKON CORPORATION
Camera:Nikon D3100 Check out Nikon Nation!
Lens:18.0-55.0 mm f/3.5-5.6
Recording media:RAW (digital)
Date Taken:14 Dec 2012 - 5:13 PM
Focal Length:18mm
Lens Max Aperture:f/3.5
Aperture:f/6.3
Shutter Speed:20sec
Exposure Comp:0.0
ISO:100
Exposure Mode:Manual
Metering Mode:Multi-segment
Flash:No Flash
White Balance:Daylight
Title:City Sunset
Username:phonocar phonocar
Uploaded:18 Dec 2012 - 4:51 PM
Tags:Landscape / travel, Wildlife / nature
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Mozzytheboy
Mozzytheboy e2 Member 4550 forum postsMozzytheboy vcard United Kingdom3 Constructive Critique Points
18 Dec 2012 - 5:10 PM

Number two for me. I much prefer the angle and overall look. Indeed the silhouette really takes off in number two. I personally (and it is only my opinion) the first is very flat; whereas two jumps out at you Smile

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iancrowson
iancrowson e2 Member 4211 forum postsiancrowson vcard United Kingdom129 Constructive Critique Points
18 Dec 2012 - 6:03 PM

Good capture. Peaceful and atmospheric.
I prefer the composition in V1, more smooth blue sea and less sky.
Ian

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banehawi
banehawi Critique Team 10876 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada2876 Constructive Critique Points
18 Dec 2012 - 6:07 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Hi Sebastian.

Ive tried to find Erics comments on your original upload, but cant see anything, so perhaps it was a PM. Judging by your version 1, I am guessing that the advice was about not splitting the image in two by having the shoreline in the middle?

For me, V2 is a much better shot, but can look better with the shoreline on a third. The reason V2 looks better is that the colour tone is much better, - we expect a warm tone from the setting Sun, and also, V1 has too much of the empty sea.

Its best to approach this using V2, ans rather than cropping the top and adding at the bottom, do the opposite, and maintain your colour tone as is. The sky is much more interesting than the dark sky, so adding some looks better.


I have uploaded a mod that shows what I mean. Its in a 10in X 8in aspect ratio, and Ive cropped a small amount from the left. I used CS6 for this, first cropping to the 10 X 8 ration which left new canvas at the top, and then using the content aware fill capabilities it did a great job of finning in the sky. The alternative is to add the camvas space at the top, and copy ot close, or both, the sky.

I hope you find this helpful, and also hope I havent confused anything as I dont know what advice Eric had given.


regards


Willie

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paulbroad
paulbroad  781 forum posts United Kingdom855 Constructive Critique Points
18 Dec 2012 - 6:09 PM

V2 is by far the best shot, and actually very good. Compositionally it is the rock that is the strong point, not the city skyline.

Paul

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phonocar
phonocar  2 Germany
18 Dec 2012 - 8:26 PM

Hey, first of all thanks to all for your cirtique Wink

Here you can find the advice from ErictheViking so im kinda surprised you like V2 more than V1 because that was my first idea so banehawi youre right. I liked the idea of cropping the sky more than cropping the water.

http://www.ephotozine.com/user/phonocar-212308/gallery/photo/the-blue-sky-310093...

@banehawi you said theres too much empty sea but in your mod theres much empty sky but thats only my opinion. I also think that my V2(the original picture) is too dark. Maybe I lightend it too much so theres not much warm color left?

Sebastian

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banehawi
banehawi Critique Team 10876 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada2876 Constructive Critique Points
18 Dec 2012 - 8:44 PM

Ok, - so its the same advice. And Paul makes a good point too about that rock, - its position is important, so adding sea places it at a worse position than adding sky. And you are right, its largely empty sky, but theres some clouds there too.

In the mod, I did lighten the darks a little, but remember that you need to have a calibrated monitor to ensure we are seeing the same thing. Its best to lighten by lifting shadows, rather than increasing overall exposure.

Brightening will have some effect, - but only brightening, not tone. It might simply be that the amount of sky, which is where most of the warm tone is. I will add another mod with the darks lifted a little more. Theres also the fact that the Moon is much better placed in V2 than V1, noting to do with extra space, but cropping from the left, which you dont need to do.

Whether you like it one way or the other, its a personal opinion. Most people will find a sky more interesting however.

Thanks for getting back,


Regards


Willie

Last Modified By banehawi at 18 Dec 2012 - 8:49 PM

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NEWMANP
NEWMANP e2 Member 61587 forum postsNEWMANP vcard United Kingdom574 Constructive Critique Points
18 Dec 2012 - 9:34 PM

i like the exposure on v1 but the colour balance in v2 but compositionally im sure there was some compromise.
dont like harping on rules and im happy to break plenty but with water its pretty true that the only happy composition is 2/3 top to 1/3 bottom or reversed and im generally happier with 2/3 base when sea is concerned.

then that rock is lovely but i want to be in the water so its a bit closer and more pronounced in the composition because the water and land are open ended without a great deal to link the two. this where it helps to have a diagonal approach somewhere in the composition or a nice sweeping curve taking the eye around, linear compositions do tend to be difficult to get right.

you have got nice tones in there and a lovely sky to work with. it might work equally well with the modern approach of making a duplicate layer and blending back to taste in screen blending mode to give a really dreamy desaturated look

regards
Phil

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SH87
SH87  2 England
19 Dec 2012 - 7:36 AM

For me personally I would like to see a combination of the composition of V1 and the colour tone of V2.

The composition of V1 draws my eye to the city much more than the V2 composition does.

Si

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phonocar
phonocar  2 Germany
19 Dec 2012 - 5:52 PM

@banehawi My Monitor is not currently not calibrated. I read a tutorial about it but T dont have a printer. Project for the future.
I agree with "Rock" and "Moon" Point. But for me its hard to say they which version I like most.

@NEWMANP That Advice sounds too advanced for me. Your talking about Photoshop? Maybe you can show me an example

@SH87 Maybe I will upload another Mod during the next days.


There will be a similar Upload today or tommorow where I try to use your Advice.

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