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NOT one of my proper workshops but a local trip with our little camera club. Even so, difficult not to enter into tuition mode, so to keep myself distracted i thought i would take a few images demonstrating (hopefully) the good and the bad.

I use these on my workshops to encourage attendees to think before pressing the button and not to adopt on the "can correct in photoshop" mentality - as such i thought that some of the newer members here might benefit.

I always love to see genuine comment on images but hopefully here you will feel completely free to comment / critique - if not for your own benefit then perhaps for the potential improvement of others.

I do not expect 'votes' but please do leave comments.

Brand:Canon
Camera:Canon EOS-1D Mark IV
Lens:300.0-300.0 mm
Recording media:JPEG (digital)
Date Taken:13 Aug 2013 - 6:38 PM
Focal Length:300mm
Aperture:f/2.8
Shutter Speed:1/1250sec
Exposure Comp:-0.625
ISO:800
Exposure Mode:Aperture-priority AE
Metering Mode:Multi-segment
Flash:No Flash
White Balance:Manual
Title:Club Outing or perhaps Club 'Ooting
Username:philhomer philhomer
Uploaded:14 Aug 2013 - 11:09 AM
Tags:Backgrounds, Barn owl, Camera club, Composition, Harris hawk, Hawk, Owl, Pets / captive animals, Tuition, Wildlife / nature
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Chinga
Chinga e2 Member 3Chinga vcard United Kingdom
14 Aug 2013 - 12:12 PM

I had to vote because it's a very good set of shots. Grin
The images are sharp with good background and good poses of each subject...
My compliments.
IB

philhomer
philhomer  434 forum posts England32 Constructive Critique Points
14 Aug 2013 - 12:16 PM


Quote: I had to vote because it's a very good set of shots. Grin
The images are sharp with good background and good poses of each subject...
My compliments.
IB

Ah. have to say that whilst a couple are ok and included for comparative purposes, i beg to differ Wink I am however very grateful that you bothered to take the time to comment, so many folk just browse and make no effort to add anything to the community.

ugly
ugly e2 Member 6ugly vcard United Kingdom55 Constructive Critique Points
14 Aug 2013 - 12:16 PM

Nice set of images..
The owls are more of a set up as I am sure they do not have an open nest.

Dave

Last Modified By ugly at 14 Aug 2013 - 12:17 PM
philhomer
philhomer  434 forum posts England32 Constructive Critique Points
14 Aug 2013 - 12:21 PM


Quote: Nice set of images..
The owls are more of a set up as I am sure they do not have an open nest.

Dave

Dave, you can do better than that mate!!! Obviously set-up - tag says CAPTIVE, and they have bright red lines attached to their legs.. AND the Harris is hardly an endemic species. You know how i think about images so i was expecting a whole list of "issues" here.

boov
boov  1 United Kingdom
14 Aug 2013 - 3:27 PM

Super series.....

philhomer
philhomer  434 forum posts England32 Constructive Critique Points
14 Aug 2013 - 3:43 PM


Quote: Super series.....

aaaargh. i have had less votes than this on perfectly acceptable images. i would like to think a super series for tuition purposes but NOT a series of super images

V1 - there is a great big blooming SHED in the background! V6 - same issue but now a poly-tunnel (club member taking that image said "ah, is there? i can sort it in PS"

V3 vs V4 look at the composition - V4 ok as face-on but in V3 subject is facing image left so has next to no space ahead of it


For this exercise and bearing in mind that this was NOT a workshop i am not concerned with lines/cords etc - obv on a workshop we would work to tuck them away

AlexAppleby
14 Aug 2013 - 8:58 PM

V1 distracting background, but otherwise sharp. Backgrounds can be photoshopped easily, and in this case could be cropped out, which would probably improve the pic.
V2 legs out of focus and my eyes are just drawn to them in a sort of painful way.
V3 I would loose some of the bottom of the nest - again out of focus and distracting, doesn't do anything to the photo in general.
V4 as V3.
V5 - nice - but background maybe a bit dark.
V6 bird too dark and background too light - so almost impossible to see the bird properly.

Not sure if that helps, I'm no expert - I just know what I like, and this is all subjective.

philhomer
philhomer  434 forum posts England32 Constructive Critique Points
14 Aug 2013 - 9:40 PM


Quote: V1 distracting background, but otherwise sharp. Backgrounds can be photoshopped easily, and in this case could be cropped out, which would probably improve the pic.
V2 legs out of focus and my eyes are just drawn to them in a sort of painful way.
V3 I would loose some of the bottom of the nest - again out of focus and distracting, doesn't do anything to the photo in general.
V4 as V3.
V5 - nice - but background maybe a bit dark.
V6 bird too dark and background too light - so almost impossible to see the bird properly.

Not sure if that helps, I'm no expert - I just know what I like, and this is all subjective.

hurrah! many many thanks for the comments

re. V1 and V6 backgrounds and epxosure levels can be changed BUT if we pride ourselves on our photography then we should simply NOT take this sort of image

other items are indeed more subjective but most wildlife togs would suggest that an "out of focus" area simply focuses more on the main subject - and in this instance is a deliberate function of the chosen aperture but yes there is likely too much of it.

Last Modified By philhomer at 14 Aug 2013 - 9:43 PM
AlexAppleby
14 Aug 2013 - 10:38 PM

Sorry, but I'm not a technical photographer, and I just try to grab a photo when I can. Sometimes I'm lucky, but more often I'm not. With wildlife it can be very difficult and taking the perfect photo isn't always possible. So in this instance, when you've got the subject standing there posing, great - go ahead and compose the shot, fiddle about with apeture and iso (etc) and try to make it so that you don't need to photoshop. But if you are taking that same photo in the wild, chances are you will be in an awkward position, or the subject will make off if you spend time faffing about, so do your best as quickly as you can and then if there's time, try to improve on the photo, get closer, change the settings etc. I would say if we pride ourselves in our photography then we shouldn't display an image that we know isn't great. That would be my advice, but I'm pretty inexperienced and one of my reasons for being on this site is to try to work out how to take the perfect shot with little or no effort!!!

philhomer
philhomer  434 forum posts England32 Constructive Critique Points
15 Aug 2013 - 10:54 AM

Thanks Alex, all good points but my aim here is to encourage those interested to think about the shot before they take it and to reduce the element of luck, and the images above reflect the fact that i took them to deliberately show examples of what i would personally consider BAD photography.

At this shoot, one of our club members had a perfect image of a shed with an Owl in front of it, as the club's tutor i suggested a tree would be better than a shed and they said "oooh but it's a lovely Owl". This is perhaps typical of some folk that own a camera but are not necessarily photographers, if i purchased a brush and paints i would not be an artist.

The beauty of the subject is not reduced by replacing a cr*p background with a better one, and with minimal thought / tuition / practice this like many aspects does become second nature.

My (naive) mission is to attempt to help those interested in better imagery to improve. Many of our club and those that have attended workshops do not spend time faffing as they will subconciously analyse an environment and set their camera whilst others are still picking their's up. My equally naive mission on epz is to encourage thought and discussion rather than the club member comment above.

With mock wildlife there really is little excuse as if needed we can spend an hour ensuring that we take what we perceive to be the correct image (opinions will of course always vary). This is why of course so many tutored workshops are held in controlled conditions - imagine trying it in the wild and the subject having a day off.

Whilst it is of course completely different with proper wildlife the principles remain and also the truth that if the situation does not allow for the correct image then perhaps we should simply not take it. This is more difficult in practice than the simple theory, but a form of discipline does mean you get less scrap images. It also helps if that wild environment is available to you on a regular basis whereas those of us that might make a 'once in a lifetime' safari or such will likely get carried away without due thought - or at least we did when we went (see Kenya folder) and now wish we could go back and do better.


Thanks to everyone above, this i think has been so much more interesting than the "but i like Kittens" scenario

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