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George missed his granddaughter Dorothy dearly ..



Part of the Nightmaresanddreamscapes series

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I tried filling out the camera info (EPZ no longer allows this to be filled out for composites):

2 Cameras used
Olympus Pen EPL1 with 14-42 kit lens
Nikon D700 + 24-120 F4

Recording media:RAW (digital)
Title:Dorothy & Timothy ... Gone Fishing
Username:Nick_w Nick_w
Uploaded:30 Mar 2012 - 10:41 AM
Tags:Black & white, Digital art, Digitally manipulated, Portraits / people, Specialist / abstract
Votes:31
Variant - TestsVariant - Tests

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BillyGoatGruff
BillyGoatGruff e2 Member 7191 forum postsBillyGoatGruff vcard England199 Constructive Critique Points
30 Mar 2012 - 10:49 AM

Fairly brilliant, Nick Smile

Great concept and execution

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SlowSong
SlowSong e2 Member 64543 forum postsSlowSong vcard England29 Constructive Critique Points
30 Mar 2012 - 11:32 AM

I'm puzzled by this Nick. I'm not sure what the fuzziness at the end of the fishing rod is supposed to be. It's obviously deliberate, but somehow it just doesn't suit. Perhaps I'm just being dense and I have followed the story, but what is your thinking behind this particular image?
Cheers, Chris Smile

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Ezo
Ezo  4 England
30 Mar 2012 - 11:35 AM

Yeah, fantastic idea and well processed.

Fishing in a puddle, who'd have thought it, besides other things!

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Nick_w
Nick_w e2 Member 73906 forum postsNick_w vcard England99 Constructive Critique Points
30 Mar 2012 - 12:09 PM

Thanks Bill, Chris & Ant.

Chris, i'm to keep the story for the "viewer" to interpret, however the bit at the end of the fishing rod is a puddle (real one) 1000px doesnt really help with this one it looks much better at full size. I will send a PM explaining my thinking behind it.

Last Modified By Nick_w at 30 Mar 2012 - 12:12 PM

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SlowSong
SlowSong e2 Member 64543 forum postsSlowSong vcard England29 Constructive Critique Points
30 Mar 2012 - 12:56 PM

Thank you Nick. Smile

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Richsr
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30 Mar 2012 - 1:57 PM

Like the concept Nick, well worked
Regards Richard

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Daisymaye
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30 Mar 2012 - 2:02 PM

An eerie quality about this. Well put together...........Sandy

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chase
chase Critique Team 91118 forum postschase vcard England242 Constructive Critique Points
30 Mar 2012 - 5:50 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Again,a good concept Nick & I like your thought process.
The puddle spoils this for me a tad tbh as it looks rather plastic & dropped on with no other 'bits of puddles' to help it fit into the image.
I do see a bit of banding top left....but that could be my new monotor not being quite right just yet.
I like the mistiness with Dorothy far far away.
Nice square crop which I think suits the image & certainly one for the mono treatment.

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clintQB
clintQB  351 forum posts United Kingdom
30 Mar 2012 - 6:45 PM

Great composite....clever idea

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SueEley
SueEley  8271 forum posts Wales96 Constructive Critique Points
30 Mar 2012 - 7:19 PM

Exciting.

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Eviscera
Eviscera e2 Member 81105 forum postsEviscera vcard United Kingdom149 Constructive Critique Points
30 Mar 2012 - 7:55 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

The impossible catch...

Do like the subliminal inference of her fading away from memories.

Would liked to have seen the rod raised or an additional element to suggest a connection between the two and complete the emotive.

At the moment , my eye is drawn to the scissors , which may be significant in your interpretation , but maybe to small a part of the scene to "lock" it down.

Imperfects like banding or shading , really dont spoil my enjoyment of conceptual art/photography unless its a distraction from the message.

Atb mate , wip Smile

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carmenfuchs
30 Mar 2012 - 8:33 PM

Wow. Even without the title and description, the sadness/melancholy comes through loud and clear. One of the best images I've seen at this site. Well done. =)

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DaveU
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30 Mar 2012 - 10:22 PM

It's a fine continuation of the series Nick.

The composition I like very much plus of course the mood evoked. Silly but for me the best bit is the way that Georges's head cuts across the horizon line ... that really does add so much to the depth of the image.

The puddle doesn't work for me at all .... it doesn't look like water and the perspective seems a bit out to me.

Well worth sticking with though ........

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Nick_w
Nick_w e2 Member 73906 forum postsNick_w vcard England99 Constructive Critique Points
31 Mar 2012 - 9:40 AM

Thanks everyone. Ideally appreciate the feedback so thanks.

I will revisit this at a later date.

The fisherman was a grab shot so not much I could do re positioning of the rod (unfortunatly) tho there is one where he catches a fish but it's not sharp enough). I put the water in to give the rod something to go in- but does it need it (tbh I'm not convinced with the ploughed field).

The tackle box is as it was Dave, I wish I could be smug and say I'd thought of the scissors, but it was there - maybe subconsciously it's what drew me to it as a source image.

All the suggestions are helpful and I will mark accordingly. This DM adventure is certainly harder to achieve than my usual work - and takes much longer to achieve.

One thing I forgot to mention, the banding is interesting, its not there only main monitor- but is on my laptop so can't explain it.

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Nick_w e2 Member 73906 forum postsNick_w vcard England99 Constructive Critique Points
31 Mar 2012 - 9:52 AM

Just a thought, I may just use the source image of the fisherman and the lake he was on as the main bit with Dorothy rising from the lake... What do you think? ( it would make the masking much easier !!!!

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DaveU
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31 Mar 2012 - 10:42 AM

Try it and put it up as a variant Nick .... if it improves the realism of the water then it must be a step in the right direction

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31 Mar 2012 - 11:38 AM

Just trying it now Dave will pop it up when done

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A massive improvement for me Nick ...... you've simplified it by using the water instead of all those rocks and the slightly lower viewpoint works well too. The back of the jacket needs toning down as you say, plus you might want to play around with the exact location of the girl. Maybe bringing her down onto the horizon between water and cloud and moving her a little to the left would improve the composition. It's developing well though.

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31 Mar 2012 - 2:36 PM

Thanks Dave.. I marked the original comment as constructive ( as well as Chris's ) tho I didn't go green, don't know why. Oh well, I'll have a play and just finish it off tonight.

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Scaramanga
31 Mar 2012 - 5:33 PM

Much prefer it with more water.

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chase
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31 Mar 2012 - 5:35 PM

V2 is a solid improvement Nick,so much better,the whole image sits better & conveys the message in a stronger way.

Quote: bringing her down onto the horizon between water and cloud

Would be the finishing touch methinks.

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Nick_w
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31 Mar 2012 - 6:23 PM

Thanks Andrew & Janet.

Yep its nearly there a couple of finishing touches and it will be back up in its own right.

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Ezo
Ezo  4 England
1 Apr 2012 - 2:14 PM

Well done with V2 Nick,
excellent take on your original idea but I feel V1 is venturing more into the realms of surrealism as an image and certainly gets my brain matter going more than V2. For me the lake in V2 is what the brain would expect to see unlike the utter bizarreness of V1.

I'll just get my jacket!!!

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2 Apr 2012 - 9:06 AM

Thank you Ant Smile

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