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I'm really not sure about this. This lad was in a tent near my sons stand at a car show. They saw me shooting and asked me to take a few of him playing. I tried all sorts of things varying angles and using flash but the clutter, background and lighting, plus I only had gear meant for the car show with me left me at a loss.

EOS 7D with 18/250 OS Sigma at about 40mm. Flash fill ith Sigma 530 Super and diffuser. 1/200 @ f11, ISO400.

Paul

Camera:Canon EOS 7D
Lens:18/250 Sigma OS
Recording media:JPEG (digital)
Title:Drummer
Username:paulbroad paulbroad
Uploaded:10 Jul 2013 - 8:35 AM
Tags:Drum, Drummer, Man, Portraits / people, Tent., Young
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cats_123
cats_123 e2 Member 104023 forum postscats_123 vcard Northern Ireland25 Constructive Critique Points
10 Jul 2013 - 9:43 AM

The bg is very distracting...had a look at mono, which helps slightly but not sufficiently to warrant an upload Sad

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mrswoolybill
mrswoolybill Critique Team 7435 forum postsmrswoolybill vcard United Kingdom1024 Constructive Critique Points
10 Jul 2013 - 2:40 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

First off, I like the fact that you have got down fairly low, just below his eye-level for this.
Apart from asking him to move his kit to another tent, you were always going to be stuck with a distracting background, and it's a part of the overall event. The action capture is the important thing and it's pretty good. Drummers are very difficult, the hands travel quite a distance very fast. Your shutter speed has served you well - 1/200 has frozen the boy's face (drummers concentrate in a particularly satisfying way, whereas other band members will communicate with each other, the drummer is always in a world of his own), the drumstick is just recognisable as such, but there's motion blur to give a sense of the action and rhythm. 1/250 would give the hand a bit sharper as contrast to the stick. The site hasn't picked up your Exif and you haven't given all the camera settings - but I hope you were using shutter priority, it's important here. Shutter speed is crucial.
It would be good to have both hands and sticks visible - that's a matter of watching the pattern of the drumming to be able to predict the perfect moment. The watching is as important as the taking with a subject like this.
Using the diffuser on the flash has served you well.
One further thought - I guess you wanted the lad's face here - but with such a messy background, zooming in on the hands and sticks, from a slightly higher view point, is a good alternative.
I hope that helps. I have spent alarmingly large chunks of my life doing this.
Moira

Last Modified By mrswoolybill at 10 Jul 2013 - 2:50 PM

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NDODS e2 Member 43242 forum postsNDODS vcard United Kingdom103 Constructive Critique Points
10 Jul 2013 - 4:06 PM

Hi Paul, some clear and valid points made my Moira. Using Photoshop or Photoshop Elements one could spend many hours removing the background and then placing this little rockstar into a more appealing surrounding. Or one could simply use the Magnetic Lasso Took go for a wander round the protagonist, then Inverse your image in order the back ground can be worked. You could then simply use the Gaussian Blur tool and add as much or as little Blur as you wished. A lot of scope lies within, however time is the deciding factor.

Regards Nathan

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annettep38
annettep38 e2 Member 3186 forum postsannettep38 vcard France32 Constructive Critique Points
10 Jul 2013 - 5:16 PM

it was a tricky task. BTW i did not understand your critique regarding my singers ? what was it exactly you didn't like about it? 'something like this' probably means that you consider it substandard, ok that is your opinion but why.

Well, I have no idea which aperture you used but methinks it was too small . using at least 2.8 or even something like a 50mm 1.4 and than a crop might have helped a lot. Also you would have gained some shutter speed.
Nathan's recipe is very good, you can tell by his PF that he knows how to do it.
here is an alternative: cut the drummer and his paraphernalia out and put it on another layer , (ctrl-j) cut him out of the b/g completely
do a context sensitive fill. (Fill tool in PS4) pattern stamp or so with cloner in earlier versions.
Blur the lot to you liking and desaturate.
Done.

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banehawi
banehawi Critique Team 10868 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada2867 Constructive Critique Points
10 Jul 2013 - 5:52 PM

The exif data has been provided in the description. EOS 7D with 18/250 OS Sigma at about 40mm. Flash fill ith Sigma 530 Super and diffuser. 1/200 @ f11, ISO400.

Im of a different mind about this. I done see the background as clutter at all. I see it as similar to framed abstract acrylic paintings, which when viewed with this in mind, works.

Its the post behind his head that should go I think, and it should be sRGB tagged, and not un tagged, otherwise nothing much wrong with it.

Will upload mod shortly.


W

Last Modified By banehawi at 10 Jul 2013 - 5:55 PM

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paulbroad
paulbroad  781 forum posts United Kingdom853 Constructive Critique Points
10 Jul 2013 - 11:19 PM

EXif data gets lost in processing and is not with the JPG file at all, hence the text. So does the colour space info. I always forget to put it back. it is all there in the full sizs image of course.

Paul

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paulbroad
paulbroad  781 forum posts United Kingdom853 Constructive Critique Points
10 Jul 2013 - 11:27 PM

Not sure what Annette is on about with her singer images and my comments. Sure you got the right person?

paul

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mrswoolybill
mrswoolybill Critique Team 7435 forum postsmrswoolybill vcard United Kingdom1024 Constructive Critique Points
11 Jul 2013 - 8:35 AM


Quote: Sure you got the right person?

Yes, see here .
The lady is a very accomplished wildlife photographer who is keen to tackle people/street photography. It's a surprisingly unusual combination, most wildlife photographers seem to find street photography quite disorientating. So worth encouraging, I would have thought. A commenter forgets a dismissive comment more easily than the recipient.

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banehawi
banehawi Critique Team 10868 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada2867 Constructive Critique Points
11 Jul 2013 - 2:38 PM

"See how something like this collects so many comments, and in a critique section too. I do wish some that have commented here bothered a bit more often!

A nice interesting set, but best kept to just one or two images in he critique section."


Not seeing anything dismissive or to complain about myself. Essentially says the numerous posters who show up with nice shot comments could make an effort and make their presence more noticed in the CG more often.

And loading a set of 10 for critique is not practical. as the exif data applies only to shot V1.

The set is very good, Ive commented and loaded a few mods, and Paul did say the set was nice, and interesting. So positive comments on the shots, and a critical comment about those who dont contribute to the CG as often as they did in this shot. So perhaps theres a misunderstanding here?


Willie

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paulbroad
paulbroad  781 forum posts United Kingdom853 Constructive Critique Points
11 Jul 2013 - 3:45 PM

Yes, thank's Willie. I get blamed enough when I may be a bit strong. There is absolutely nothing wrong with my comment on these images. Read the comments carefully before reacting, please.

I am commenting on the fact that so many people comment on good work, but very few when comment is really needed.

Paul

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paulbroad  781 forum posts United Kingdom853 Constructive Critique Points
11 Jul 2013 - 5:32 PM

Just reread my note above, terrible English!

Paul

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