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Yet another from the shoot with Eden. Not getting the interest I hoped, but hey, I am properly happy with them and so is the model. Going to be published in a magazine pretty soon Smile Very pleased!

Brand:Canon
Camera:Canon EOS 7D
Lens:EF24-105mm F/4L IS USM
Recording media:RAW (digital)
Date Taken:21 Apr 2012 - 1:25 PM
Focal Length:32mm
Lens Max Aperture:f/4.0
Aperture:f/4.0
Shutter Speed:1/320sec
Exposure Comp:+5/3
ISO:800
Exposure Mode:Aperture-priority AE
Metering Mode:Multi-segment
Flash:Off, Did not fire
Title:Eden #4
Username:johnnyboy114 johnnyboy114
Uploaded:25 Apr 2012 - 6:35 PM
Tags:Flash / lighting, General, Portraits / people
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FlashBangPicture

not getting the interest on here is no suprise Johnny, make her stand on a stick and you will get all the interest and more. She really is magnetic, only thing here for me is clone out the window sill at the bottom as i was drawn to it as i didn't know what it was. Other than that another great shot by you, you should be really pleased with these

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johnnyboy114
25 Apr 2012 - 6:45 PM

Ah yes, well, spotted Dave. Some of these images are hardly touched, so there are a few small things I have missed. Not good, so may have a go at cloning that out and repost. Or I might not! lol! Wink But yeah, I didn't expect much interest to be honest, as it has born out, but hey ho.....its not about pleasing people on here. I know these are good, its the first time I have actually been really happy with my ability and confident that, actually, I am actually not bad...... its about I time I started believing in it....cheers for the comment Dave. Always appreciated!

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john_starkey
25 Apr 2012 - 6:55 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

If you want to see GOOD glamour and nude shot's take a look at 500px,you may learn something,the reason you are not getting that much interest is because the shot is not a bad one,it just need's some PP doing to make it pop,and personally the last time i saw nicker's like those was on my wife when she was pregnant,no offence intended,

John.

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johnnyboy114
25 Apr 2012 - 7:00 PM

Firstly, this is ON 500px and has over 80% approval there and that site is very much used as inspiration for the work. Secondly, those knickers were the models own and her idea as the image was inspired by a shot that is almost identical to this that the model actually loved. I guess horses for courses and no offence taken, but I am a little put out that you don't think this is "good" glamour as 1) I dont' see it as glamour and 2) its a damn site better than a lot of the work on this site....hence my annoyance. No offence intended.....

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Adderwatcher
25 Apr 2012 - 7:18 PM

I don't know a thing about glamour, nude, portrait or to be honest any form of "Human" photography but i like this and others of this series. I think its her eyes as well as the bold colour hair that draws your attention to the image. The shots work in my opinion as though they are bold and grab your attention they don't appear "over the top" processing wise and the pose is naturual and relaxed (unlike many). However like i said i know nothing of this type of photography so just saying what i like about it Smile Excellent work in my opinion!
Scott

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answersonapostcard Site Moderator 1012609 forum postsanswersonapostcard vcard United Kingdom15 Constructive Critique Points
25 Apr 2012 - 7:25 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

John has a point about post processing, and you have more votes on it here than on 500px.

Where you have the light positioned has made her skin brighter in some parts than others and has made her skin generally mismatched, yes she is good looking and her hair is amazing but consider the finer detail, thats what will make this stand out from the rest.

Personally I'd be inclined to crop it slightly (top) just to tidy it up, you know about the window frame. Why dont you put it up for mod or put it in critique gallery, there are usually reason images dont get the attention you think they deserve but alot of time there could just be something that could be improved, you have raw ingredients you just need to know how to bake it! Grin

oh and I like the knickers, adds a certain something.

Last Modified By answersonapostcard at 25 Apr 2012 - 7:30 PM

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ugly
ugly e2 Member 6ugly vcard United Kingdom56 Constructive Critique Points
25 Apr 2012 - 7:33 PM

A great looking model...
The body position does not look good...
Head pushed forward sholders up...
The whole image looks unconforable...
The swim site not in a good sexy position..
Things do not look right..

You got nice lighting..
Good DOF very sharp...

Dave

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FlashBangPicture

probably because they are not knickers but a rolled down clingy body !!!

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johnnyboy114
25 Apr 2012 - 7:35 PM

lol.....cheers....the knickers to have a certain something don't they? Wink

As for the other stuff you say, absolutely. Totally agree and I am more than happy to be open to good, constructive criticism. But I think my frustration is not that it has its faults or that people point them out etc etc....thats fine. As long as its constructive. But what I AM frustrated at is the attention some photos get, with the "high praise" they get from all and assunder when you can see clearly that the photo isn't that good. I agree, this isn't perfect, I agree there are things that I would change and there its definitely open to criticism....and I am definitely not fishing for compliments or awards, at all. But....this, whatever anyone says, as well as some of the others, albeit with all of them with faults, is better than 80% of the "glamour" work on here and yet there is some of that that gets an inordinate amount of attention in comparison. Its just weird, strange and frankly disproportionate......I have made this argument many times and it may look like I am looking for the attention. I am very, very self aware of this. But I am not.....I would defend other photographers work who get overlooked for some of the rubbish that tends to overly praised. I don't think my work is the worlds best by a long shot, but I am getting there, its not bad, surely?

Thanks for the feedback. Much appreciated and all taken on board. Oh and one slight correction on what you said in your critique.....there was no "light" as such....its two windows either side of her in a completely white room with a reflector in front of her. I am not sure if its an artifact of the compression or resizing to put on here, or the upload process, but the light on my monitor looks pretty even to me. The monitor is calibrated. So, who knows.....but the idea on the crop and the obvious work on the window sill is spot on and I just wished I knew enough about PS to be able to give the images that final, professiona ZING and pop....must work on that Wink Cheers again

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johnnyboy114
25 Apr 2012 - 7:38 PM


Quote: A great looking model...
The body position does not look good...
Head pushed forward sholders up...
The whole image looks unconforable...
The swim site not in a good sexy position..
Things do not look right..

You got nice lighting..
Good DOF very sharp...

Dave

Really? Have you SEEN fashion photography lately? This pose is almost identical to the one that was taken from a Vogue magazine shoot.....its not a swinsuit either. And she may look "uncomfortable" because she is holding her boobs....

I am not going to defend this anymore to be honest.....I like it! So does the client and so does the magazine its getting published in.....

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answersonapostcard Site Moderator 1012609 forum postsanswersonapostcard vcard United Kingdom15 Constructive Critique Points
25 Apr 2012 - 7:40 PM

why dwell on what others are or not getting? You've got an image here that should do better, if you do better. If you just want to say well its better than alot on here then you'll just stay static or not bother refining things that should be refined. 'Light' is light whether its artificial as in the use of electrical lights or light reflected, or directed, you control it.

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Mrserenesunrise
Mrserenesunrise e2 Member 350 forum postsMrserenesunrise vcard England6 Constructive Critique Points
25 Apr 2012 - 9:24 PM

Hi Johnnyboy,

You have produced a great set of images. I am with you on the "high praise" comment.
Take on board the constructive criticism, from the people you respect and learn from them.
At the end of the day, if you, the model AND the client like it,that is all that matters.
Keep posting!

Tim

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Jestertheclown
25 Apr 2012 - 9:58 PM

There is something slightly awry with the evenness of the lighting here. Her face and right arm are much brighter than everything else. In fact, 'levels' show it to be heading for overexposed.
I think that your reflector needed to be a bit farther away and at a different angle to even up the lighting.
I'd also crop the top slightly as, at the moment, the crop's not one thing or the other. I wouldn't take a lot off.
This looks sharper in CS5 than it does on here for some reason, so I'd guess that the original is too.
You know about the windowsill.
As you say, you're happy with it and that's all that really matters but in your opening gambit, you say you'd like it to garner more interest. Unfortunately, unless you're a part of a clique, not all of that interest will necessarily be praise.
You say that you're open to criticism so why not do as K. says, put it up in the critique gallery if you want some proper feedback.
Jester.

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johnnyboy114
25 Apr 2012 - 10:05 PM


Quote: Why dwell on what others are or not getting? You've got an image here that should do better, if you do better. If you just want to say well its better than alot on here then you'll just stay static or not bother refining things that should be refined. 'Light' is light whether its artificial as in the use of electrical lights or light reflected, or directed, you control it.

Totally agree! I think I am not explaining myself very well to be honest and they way that it seems to have come across is not what I think you or others have picked up. I am not just saying my work is better than others and all that.....I dunno, its hard to explain, but there does seem to be massive disparity in what is deemed good or bad from one person to the next. I think its the disproportionate amount of praise some very "mediocre" photography seems to get and is not readily "constructively criticised". But someone produces (and I don't mean just me) a good photo that is "almost" there and maybe needs a few tweaks to really make it stand out (such as the above), then it gets pulled apart or entirely ignored, even though from the outset its clearly good work. I dunno, maybe I am looking at this too deeply.....and being bothered about it too much either. Who knows....lol!

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johnnyboy114
25 Apr 2012 - 10:06 PM

Tim, thanks for the comments and yes, all of the above constructive criticism, as always, will be taken on board. Makes me a better photographer and makes me want to learn more.....

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johnnyboy114
25 Apr 2012 - 10:22 PM


Quote: There is something slightly awry with the evenness of the lighting here. Her face and right arm are much brighter than everything else. In fact, 'levels' show it to be heading for overexposed.

Yeah, as mentioned before and completely right. I wanted the slightly high key/over exposed look to bring out the colour of the hair a little more, but the even-ness is and was an issue. My reflector is only a small circular 30inch reflector and the light was actually coming more from directly behind her, so the light had to be reflected really from either one of the windows to the each side of her. So I chose, fro ease of shooting, to get the person holding it to stand to my right as it was probably the best angle to get the light in. It was quite close in to try and soften the light as much as possible and probably the reason why there is more shadow on her right yet darker on that side too. I played with it a little but would really have liked a relector that was much bigger to give a lot more even light. Unfortunately, this was the result. And my PS skills definitely aren't good enough to adjust any of this in post.....but absolutely noted, so thank you.


Quote: I think that your reflector needed to be a bit farther away and at a different angle to even up the lighting

I did actually try that yet I found the light to drop off really quickly and the effectiveness of the reflector itself seemed to be negligable even a foot or two back from where it was when taking this. I shall have to experiment more with this I think.....


Quote: I'd also crop the top slightly as, at the moment, the crop's not one thing or the other. I wouldn't take a lot off.

I have a "cropped" version already, but knowing what some people on here are like, I decided to post this one as a lot of people don't like the tops of peoples heads being cut off etc etc.....I quite like it myself, but thought I would test the water....I might post that one tomorrow....


Quote: This looks sharper in CS5 than it does on here for some reason, so I'd guess that the original is too.

Yes, definitely. Much sharper here.....not sure what happens on upload on here, but its fine and also looks fine on 500px too.....strange....



Quote: As you say, you're happy with it and that's all that really matters but in your opening gambit, you say you'd like it to garner more interest. Unfortunately, unless you're a part of a clique, not all of that interest will necessarily be praise.

lol....yeah, I know. I have been on this site long enough to know how it works Wink Not looking to garner interest as such....not actually that bothered if truth be told. I am always grateful for anything I get really, even if its one comment. But I guess what I mean was that actually, for the style and look of the images, I am a little surprised the shots haven't got more interest considering there are other photographers on here who shoot similar images or styles/genres and who get heaps of interest (sometimes, as already said before, for images that I and a few others would deem not quite as proficient. Not blowing a trumpet again, not my style. I am very self depricating most of the time, but I like to think I know a good image from someone when I see it and frankly, some of the images that get loads of interest are, well, average, compared to something that someone like Richard Spurdens or garth01 would produce....).


Quote: You say that you're open to criticism so why not do as K. says, put it up in the critique gallery if you want some proper feedback.
Jester.

Might just do that next time. Never really done it, so will be an interesting experience... Wink

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Jestertheclown
25 Apr 2012 - 10:47 PM


Quote:
Might just do that next time. Never really done it, so will be an interesting experience... Wink


It'll be a worthwhile one.
You've offered critique in there before now so you know how it works and you're obviously more than happy to listen and respond with positivity, to everything I've just said so give it a go.
You've nothing to lose.
And we've all got something to gain.

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paskinmj
paskinmj  5 United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
9 May 2012 - 12:32 AM

Hi John, Nice shot, and as above comments made, I agree the model does look uncomfortable. And as you've said above this is quite en-vogue now. What I feel you should do here is enhance the mood of the photo.
I think the lighting used and soft tones does not suit the subject matter as it has done on previous images on this shoot.

There's a couple of things which I feel could be done; Firstly do NOT crop the image. Not needed in my opinion. I would like to see a modification in B&W with harsh focus points (if that makes sense)? Also with added contrast. The best way I could describe it really is a style of Anton Corbjin?!

For the colour version I would change the overall colour temperature to a more colder tone. And add a little bit more contrast too. I really feel that this would enhance the mood more. But thats just my opinion.

Hope you find this critique constructive?!
Great stuff though, gets my vote anyway.

Oh! Love the pants too!! Matt

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