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I am looking to enter this into a camera club competition so any suggestions would be most welcome before I submit. I will upload the colour version for comparison but I think mono works best.
Shot was taken on a McFade training workshop featuring Blues Brother "Elwood" in the foreground and sax player Sam in the background.

Phil

Brand:NIKON CORPORATION
Camera:Nikon D7100 Check out Nikon Nation!
Lens:70.0-200.0 mm f/2.8
Recording media:RAW (digital)
Date Taken:25 Jun 2013 - 7:54 PM
Focal Length:200mm
Lens Max Aperture:f/2.8
Aperture:f/4.0
Shutter Speed:1/100sec
Exposure Comp:0.0
ISO:400
Exposure Mode:Aperture-priority AE
Metering Mode:Multi-segment
Flash:Off, Did not fire
White Balance:Auto
Title:Elwood
Username:Philo Philo
Uploaded:29 Jun 2013 - 10:54 PM
Tags:Black & white, Chicago blues brothers, Leeds, McFade Training, Portraits / people, Town hall
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Nick_w
Nick_w e2 Member 73802 forum postsNick_w vcard England99 Constructive Critique Points
29 Jun 2013 - 11:36 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Excellent subject and tones, good mono conversion. I really like the image, but I'm not sure about the guy in the background, did you sharpen the whole image? Looks like it, or there's too much global structure if you've used Silver EFEX ( which knowing Ade is how he would adviseWink) The reason I ask is the bokeh on the background buy just jars slightly. His left shoulder (right as you look) has quite a harsh halo.

Mask our the structure / sharpening and you have a superb image.

Edit: just checked the colour image, the bokeh there's fine, if must be structure sharpening in the mono conversion. If using silver efec pro put a control point over the back guy and set structure to a negative value (including fine structure).

Last Modified By Nick_w at 29 Jun 2013 - 11:39 PM

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banehawi
banehawi Critique Team 10777 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada2782 Constructive Critique Points
30 Jun 2013 - 12:48 AMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Whats the title, if any of the competition?


I like the mono, but as I looked at it for a while I wondered if f/2.8 would provide a softer bokeh. Having read Nicks comments, I know know why it hadnt looked as soft as I would have expected. I expect re doing the comversion as Nick suggest would improve it. I dont use Silver Effex, so I will try a mod, "look ma, no hands!" using Photoshop.


So really like the mono if modified, - would like to know the theme for the club comp if there is one.




Regards


Willie

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Philo
Philo e2 Member 464 forum postsPhilo vcard England83 Constructive Critique Points
30 Jun 2013 - 8:13 AM

Thanks, Nick, it sticks out like a sore thumb now that you have pointed it out. I have only just started using Silver Efex so I just applied a preset. I will go back and follow your advice.

Willie, the title for the competition is portraiture. I am sure it will be full of glamorous girls in the studio but I want something very different.

Thanks guys,

Phil

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Philo
Philo e2 Member 464 forum postsPhilo vcard England83 Constructive Critique Points
30 Jun 2013 - 8:15 AM

Love the mods, Willie, Elwood stands out much better from the background.
Phil

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mrswoolybill Critique Team 7391 forum postsmrswoolybill vcard United Kingdom957 Constructive Critique Points
30 Jun 2013 - 8:49 AMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

After reading Nick's comment I opened up a shallow dof picture of my own in Silver Efex and pushed the Structure slider up high, producing an identical effect. I'd advise that you use the presets as general indicators, suggestions as to different effects that can be achieved - but check out the finer tuning, the sliders. I rarely push Structure above 10%. I'll have a play with V2 in a bit.
I reckon this is worth a second attempt, I like the balance between the two figures. There's a sense of energy. The breeze catching the foreground jacket edge adds a lot, as does the way both fit within the vertical lines of the background architecture.
Moira

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paulbroad
paulbroad  681 forum posts United Kingdom840 Constructive Critique Points
30 Jun 2013 - 10:06 AM

A lot of discussion on sharpness and depth. I can't see a problem for me. Am on my tablet. I like the composition.

For this, I prefer mono, but would go a touch darker with more contrast due to content. I think you are actually pretty well correct in terms of technique in what you have done, just think there is room for more moodiness and impact.

Paul

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Philo
Philo e2 Member 464 forum postsPhilo vcard England83 Constructive Critique Points
30 Jun 2013 - 12:32 PM

Thanks, Moira, I will do as suggested with Silver Efex. Looking forward to your mod.

Paul, when I revisit the shot in Silver Efex I will try out your suggestions and see what happens.

Thanks,

Phil

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banehawi
banehawi Critique Team 10777 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada2782 Constructive Critique Points
30 Jun 2013 - 10:20 PM

I think PS beats Nik hands down!


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ade_mcfade
ade_mcfade  1014708 forum posts England216 Constructive Critique Points
1 Jul 2013 - 4:37 PM

seems everyone's jumped on the "structure" bandwagon Wink

Just do it in light room and use a negative clarity brush where ever you get those halos - and I'd include the doors behind Sam in that.

Good bit of attitude from both of the guys there - sam does look a bit like The Terminator - so did what I asked Wink Looked menacing

like the balance between the 2 - sam looks pretty big even though his a long way off, go to love the effect of long lenses when wide open.

notice how the angle of the sax matches the angle of gareth's shoulder... nice touch... sure you planned that Wink

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Philo
Philo e2 Member 464 forum postsPhilo vcard England83 Constructive Critique Points
1 Jul 2013 - 6:18 PM

Will give the negative clarity a try, Ade. Yes the guys did really well for this shot giving us great poses with attitude. Of course I planned the sax, I'm sure I asked Sam to change positionWink
Thanks,

Phil

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