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This was taken a few weeks ago when the moon was full. I was just about to go to bed and noticed the moon coming up across the Firth of Forth. I grabbed my camera and set up post haste and started taking shot after shot, trying different exposures and filters. This one was my favourite. The LE gave the water a lovely silky feel and the tones are nice. The only bit I am not really happy with is the moon itself. I just couldn't get any detail on it!

Brand:NIKON CORPORATION
Camera:Nikon D3100 Check out Nikon Nation!
Lens:55.0-200.0 mm f/4.0-5.6
Recording media:JPEG (digital)
Date Taken:27 May 2013 - 1:29 AM
Focal Length:98mm
Lens Max Aperture:f/4.4
Aperture:f/5.0
Shutter Speed:8sec
Exposure Comp:0.0
ISO:400
Exposure Mode:Manual
Metering Mode:Center-weighted average
Flash:No Flash
White Balance:Auto
Title:Fife Moon Rising
Username:cosmicherb cosmicherb
Uploaded:13 Jun 2013 - 7:36 PM
Tags:Blue, Landscape / travel, Light, Long exposure, Moon, Night, Scotland, Sea, Water
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Valveman
Valveman  2 United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
13 Jun 2013 - 7:39 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

That's because the moon reflects a LOT of light. The only way to do it is to take a shot of the moon separately and merge it with your exposure of the land and sea. Still looks good though.

Ken (from Markinch in Fife)

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Niknut
Niknut e2 Member 4660 forum postsNiknut vcard United Kingdom63 Constructive Critique Points
13 Jun 2013 - 7:43 PM

Beautiful shot !!!!!

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cosmicherb
cosmicherb e2 Member 1cosmicherb vcard United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
13 Jun 2013 - 7:44 PM

Thanks Ken from Markinch. I'm based in Anstruther through the week.

Someone else mentioned the merging thing. Sounds a bit technical for someone of my limited processing ability. I do have a pic of the moon with better detail from another night...wouldn't know where to start, really!

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ensign e2 Member 7185 forum postsensign vcard United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
13 Jun 2013 - 8:57 PM

Hi Cosmicherb,
I tend to agree with Ken re the moon. My only comment otherwise is the bright spot on the horizon to the right. Good shot.
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franken
franken e2 Member 123171 forum postsfranken vcard Wales4 Constructive Critique Points
13 Jun 2013 - 8:58 PM

It's lovely as it is.

Welcome to the site Chris.

Ken

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13 Jun 2013 - 9:54 PM

Get rid of the bright spot on the horizon, definitely.
The moon is much less interesting than the reflections in the water so why not simply crop off the sky and retain the real interest?
Moira

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cosmicherb
cosmicherb e2 Member 1cosmicherb vcard United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
13 Jun 2013 - 9:59 PM

Thanks for the comments, everyone.

That spot is a light in the distance, over the other side of the Firth of Forth. I will clone it out and see what it looks like.

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13 Jun 2013 - 10:07 PM

Mod uploaded, to view it click on the Modifications button under your upload, and on the thumbnail. It's just the way I see the subject.
Moira

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iancrowson
iancrowson e2 Member 4211 forum postsiancrowson vcard United Kingdom129 Constructive Critique Points
13 Jun 2013 - 10:09 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

I like this, good capture. I love blue twilight images like this.
I would clone out that bright light on the horizon.
As said above a full moon is a fairly bright object and would require a shortish exposure, maybe 125th sec, f16, 200 ISO using a long a lens as you have.
To add the moon to another photo using photoshop elements is fairly easy. Open the the moon shot photo along side the receiving image. You may have to clone out the unwanted moon and it's glow depending on size of replacement. Make a copy layer of the moon image and drag it over the receiving image. You can adjust the size and position, make sure it's in the same place. Go to layers layer style>blending and use the sliders to make the dark/black background disappear. Flatten the layers into one image and your there.
Photoshop element does 80% of full photoshop for about 70.
regards
Ian

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freckleface1
13 Jun 2013 - 11:17 PM

Beautiful! In Kirkcaldy and must take more shots of the moon over The Forth. Sorry no technical comments. Just love the atmosphere,
Christine

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Ade_Osman
Ade_Osman e2 Member 114521 forum postsAde_Osman vcard England36 Constructive Critique Points
14 Jun 2013 - 12:03 AM

Welcome to EPZ, you've got some good work here, not exactly my cup of tea, but a quick glance at my p/f will make you understand why Smile But that's not to say I don't like other disciplines so I'll keep an eye out for some more of your work......Well done!

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paulbroad
paulbroad  781 forum posts United Kingdom858 Constructive Critique Points
14 Jun 2013 - 9:28 AMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

The possibilities are good here. Very simple, but quite strong. I suspect a little movement of the camera as well as the sea, though. May be wind as nothing looks fully sharp and the rocks should. The tonal range is far too great to get detail in the moon and get the lighting on the sea. Just not possible. I think you are over exposed as there is some burn out in the water. A full stop at least.

The only way would be to substitute a stock image of the moon, correctly exposed.

For long exposures like this, minimum ISO. Is best for quality. A Nikon will mean ISO200, THEN THE SAME EXPOSURE WOULD BE CLOSE TO CORRECT.

Paul

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iancrowson
iancrowson e2 Member 4211 forum postsiancrowson vcard United Kingdom129 Constructive Critique Points
14 Jun 2013 - 2:40 PM

Done a mod. Added a moon, lightened rocks a touch and cloned over burnt out reflection, plus a touch of sharpen.
Moon might be a bit big on reflection
Ian

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pamelajean Critique Team 8798 forum postspamelajean vcard United Kingdom1612 Constructive Critique Points
14 Jun 2013 - 3:49 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 


Quote: I do have a pic of the moon with better detail from another night...wouldn't know where to start, really!

You have a nice clean horizon, so you could simply replace the whole of the sky and moon with your better detailed one. For simplicity, you can simply copy and paste the new sky and moon onto this image.
I just went to Google and searched for "Replacing a sky in Photoshop" and there are several tutorials there. I am sure you could replace "Photoshop" with the editing software that you have, and still get results from Google.
I use PaintshopPro, and would take both pictures into the programme, select the new sky and moon, copy it and paste it onto the image above. The only thing you have to be careful about is the size, both images need to be the same size, or the replacement sky needs to be the same size as this one. There may be a little touching up to do on the horizon, but if you select it accurately, it should fit nicely. That is a very simple way to do it. Replacing just the moon is an alternative. What I would do is select the moon from the more detailed image, copy it and paste it onto the image above and if it's larger or smaller, to minimise or enlarge it, so that the glow you have here is maintained. I feel it might look more natural if you tried replacing the whole sky, but both are worth trying.
Pamela.

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cosmicherb
cosmicherb e2 Member 1cosmicherb vcard United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
15 Jun 2013 - 6:43 PM

Thanks everyone. I just came back to this...didn't realise there were so many new comments! Appreciate the critique. I don't think there should be any movement camera-wise, as I shot it through an open window with a tripod. I will take a look at reducing those burn-outs.

I've only got LR4, and I don't think there is an option for this kind of merging/cutting/pasting. Haven't tried PS Elements or anything like that, so might have to investigate that.

Out of interest, I've linked to another photo I did the night or two before. It was a quicker shutter, but the tones weren't as nice for me. The thing I really like about this one is the tone and the silky appearance of the water. If I can figure out how to combine these two images, I'll be on to a winner, I reckon!

First Fife Moon Rising

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cosmicherb
cosmicherb e2 Member 1cosmicherb vcard United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
15 Jun 2013 - 7:20 PM

Well, in the end I improvised with Picasa, cropping the two images and making a collage of the two halves, then playing with the tones to try and get a match. I also tweaked the original to reduce the highlights and lift the rock detail. See my mod for details. I think it looks OK...maybe the horizon is too sharp now, giving away the fact that it is a cut-and-shut!

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pamelajean
pamelajean Critique Team 8798 forum postspamelajean vcard United Kingdom1612 Constructive Critique Points
17 Jun 2013 - 9:30 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Hello again, Chris.
I had a look at Fife Moon Rising via your link. I agree, the moon is better defined, but the water isn't as nice.
I wasn't allowed to copy the image from the link, so I took your modification that has the same sky and moon in it.
You are right about the horizon in your modification, it is too sharp.
So, I felt the answer would be to simply change the moon, which I have done in my modification. As I said before, I use PaintshopPro.
I used the selection tool on your better defined moon, and used a circular shape to select the moon. I then copied and pasted it onto the image you show here, adjusting it to make it slightly smaller, to fit on top of the other one. The gold glow around the other one therefore remains. Before merging the new moon into the image, I adjusted the colour and definition. I felt it needed to be a warm golden colour in order for it to correspond well with its reflection in the water. The act of copying the moon onto the image degrades its quality and I therefore tried to bring some of that back, although I think it looks ok being a bit hazy, as moons do.
This way, you still have that nice bit of colour on your horizon, and it doesn't look like a cut-and-shut.
Pamela.

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cosmicherb
cosmicherb e2 Member 1cosmicherb vcard United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
17 Jun 2013 - 11:18 PM

OMG, Pamela, that is superb! Thank you so much. I have saved it and will share that on my FB and flickr pages,if that's OK with you. I'll make one final mod...take away that light on the horizon.

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pamelajean
pamelajean Critique Team 8798 forum postspamelajean vcard United Kingdom1612 Constructive Critique Points
18 Jun 2013 - 9:22 PM

I forgot about the horizon light, was concentrating so hard on the moonBlush.

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