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I grabbed a few shots of this while the sky was pink and a heavy storm threatened.
f2.8 1/30 iso800
A question really about post-processing
I know I should have stepped the aperture down to increase DOF, I think I was supporting it on a fence and was afraid of the camera wobbling. I've cropped to improve the composition, brightened and tweaked saturation and curves using masks and used denoise. Now I've got to the point where I don't know if it's overdone. Your thoughts as usual will be very much appreciated.

Thanks
Mark

Brand:NIKON CORPORATION
Camera:Nikon D40 Check out Nikon Nation!
Lens:35.0 mm f/1.8
Recording media:RAW (digital)
Date Taken:6 Aug 2011 - 8:34 PM
Focal Length:35mm
Lens Max Aperture:f/1.7
Aperture:f/2.8
Shutter Speed:1/30sec
Exposure Comp:0.0
ISO:800
Exposure Mode:Program AE
Metering Mode:Spot
Flash:No Flash
Title:Fulton's Crab House
Username:Timba_Limber Timba_Limber
Uploaded:9 Jun 2012 - 8:07 PM
Tags:Landscape / travel, Water reflections
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paulbroad
paulbroad  789 forum posts United Kingdom880 Constructive Critique Points
9 Jun 2012 - 8:12 PM

I don't think you had much choice without a tripod, but you have done a very good job. A well composed and technically competent image of which you can be pleased.

paul

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tonyguitar
9 Jun 2012 - 8:37 PM

Beautiful scene, but since you asked, could you crop the sky down 1/2? I know you wanted to keep that upper right blue for sky interest, but it is a distraction.

The colour and intensity is surreal and if that's your intent then its perfect. This is how it would look to me after several stiff ones. Otherwise one could ease up on colour just a little. The lights in the [stern wheeler?] and your good composition would get a vote from me in any event. TG

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andychatt
andychatt  3 England
9 Jun 2012 - 8:52 PM

I like this image too, Yes the colour is strong but it suits this type of image and it doesn't look noisy. If you don't want to alter the format by cropping the distracting corner of sky out you could brush it out with the clone tool instead.

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Timba_Limber
9 Jun 2012 - 9:30 PM

Thanks to Paul, Tony and Andy. Good point about that segment of cloud, I suppose the colour is subjective, and as I've said on here before, I'm cursed with too many different monitors to view photos on. They're never the same.

All the best.
Mark

Last Modified By Timba_Limber at 10 Jun 2012 - 12:43 AM

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puertouk
puertouk  31083 forum posts United Kingdom17 Constructive Critique Points
10 Jun 2012 - 12:01 AM

Hi Mark, your image seems to be wrong, especially with the large red reflection on the water. Where did that emanate from? I have done a mod in Photoshop CS6, removed the red reflection from the water using the patch tool and stamp tool. I also made some adjustments using the dodge and burn tool to the sky, as well as removing the blue patch in the top right hand corner with the patch tool. Hope you like it.
Stephen

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paulbroad
paulbroad  789 forum posts United Kingdom880 Constructive Critique Points
10 Jun 2012 - 7:13 AM

The red in the water is the sky!

Paul

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Timba_Limber
10 Jun 2012 - 9:45 AM

Paul, I think what Stephen refers to is the bright red strip on the left.
Stephen, I agree it may seem odd, I checked back more than once during the post-process to ensure that I was not deviating too far from the original appearance and I assure you that it does exist as a red strip. I think that it is something to do with the ripples on the water reflecting the red outline of the Fultons sign more than the yellow part. It was the colourful reflections of the lights which originally attracted me to the shot. I'm attempting to convey the mood of the original scene, so really the mod does not do it for me this time. Thanks for taking the time to look and comment
All the best
Mark

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NEWMANP e2 Member 61587 forum postsNEWMANP vcard United Kingdom574 Constructive Critique Points
11 Jun 2012 - 4:30 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

hi,
well its a super image and i guess its just as vivid as a travel book would like to see things even if its probably been pushed to the limit and is a great deal brighter than it originally looked.

there are some issues,

compositionally the horizon is very central and its very tricky to balance things around a central line. its a case of is it more sky and less foreground or the reverse.

its the boats in the foreground with a pale blue tint that stand out to me and id have expected them to be visually darker than they are.

i can see that the slight surface blur created by the noise reduction is present but stangely i like that effect in there.

i dont know the practicalities but a lower viewpoint with a one third water to 2/3 sky may have been stronger in this case. but overall if this is what you like then its not overdone because its not been done badly at all. its all about taste, it looks a bit Miami and some may have preferred a bit darker but that dosnt detract from a nice vibrant lovely toned shot of a trip you probably enjoyed.

regards
Phil

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tonyguitar
11 Jun 2012 - 5:06 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Following Phil's lead, I would suggest 2/3rds Fulton's and water and less sky.

One more thing. The balance items on the right are a bit too complex. How would a crop on the right to the first of those five floats do?

That way you have the speed boat and wharf and no mystery stuff. TG

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banehawi Critique Team 10986 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada2982 Constructive Critique Points
11 Jun 2012 - 5:51 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Iys a good night shot in general.

A couple of suggestions. The colour profile the image is tagged with is Adobe RGB, needs to be sRGB for the web, - it can cause issues with some browsers.

The image can do with more, not less sky to place the boat on a third.

The image is slightly oversaturated, - just a little though.

The contrast is extremely high which exaggerates both colour and sharpness.

Ive loaded a couple of mods, with added sky, with and without that small cloud; desaturated -8; reduced contrast slightly.


A good effort with a very colorful subject and lovely sky.



regards



Willie

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tonyguitar
11 Jun 2012 - 9:58 PM

Y'know, this debate is part of the Great fun of ePhotoZine. We sure enjoy this place! TG

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Timba_Limber
12 Jun 2012 - 10:32 AM

Phil, it is brighter than reality, but I like how you say it is how a travel book would like to see it.
I shall be using that phrase in future. Smile I'm usually a stickler for horizons on the third and I did try it out, but I remember the steamer looking too close to the top edge (i suppose I could could clone sky in.) Interestingly you picked up on the foreground boats which were nagging at the back of my mind, but I guess I lightened them for a bit of interest. I was a bit limited with where I could take the shot from, and with no tripod I had a fence to steady the camera on.

Tony, I take your point about the 2/3rds, balance and the clutter on the right.

Willie, you made a very interesting point about Adobe RGB and sRGB, I wonder whether this is part of the problems I have had in the past. In the end I've stayed with the crop as is, turned the saturation and contrast down and cloned out the cloud.

It's all part of learning from our past experiences, I hope I can keep all these lessons in mind when presented with a similar scene in future. Sadly I will not be in Florida this year. Sad

Thanks again for all your help folks.
Mark

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