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Good Morning,

The first of a few images from the WWT at Arundel, a Great Tit Parus Major, this is a first for me capturing these beautiful little birds from a hide , we arrived here mid morning with Lillian and got out and about for the day around this wonderful sight, so good we all joined as yearly members, my hope and aspiration to take some images of these grand birds as well as some I have seen on epz...

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Thanks to Evgenya for the mod , appreciate the time on that Smile

Many thanks for the comment and votes on Arundel Castle,and indeed a few other images , all votes and constructive comment are gratefully received and truly appreciated. Colin and Mari

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Lens:Sigma 50 - 500 MM + Sigma 2.0 Conv
Recording media:RAW (digital)
Title:Great Tit
Username:colmar colmar
Uploaded:12 Mar 2010 - 12:01 AM
Tags:Arundel, Colmar, Great, Kent, Sussex, Tit, Wetlands, Wildlife / nature, Wwt
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andylea
andylea e2 Member 537 forum postsandylea vcard United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 12:05 AM

morning colin
brilliant detail great comp wonderful colour a beautiful capture nice one Wink
andy

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morpheus1955
morpheus1955 e2 Member 7morpheus1955 vcard United Kingdom2 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 12:09 AM

Morning Colin, what a superb shot, super colours and detail, great composition too.

Hugh

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mrswoolybill
mrswoolybill Critique Team 7391 forum postsmrswoolybill vcard United Kingdom957 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 12:14 AM

Love that little hint of fluff blowing in the breeze.
Moira

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taggart
taggart e2 Member 942 forum poststaggart vcard United States12 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 12:17 AM

Congratulations on your "first" capture!
A grand little bird!
Jennnnnn

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saeidNL
saeidNL  4 Netherlands3 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 12:18 AM

Good morning colin
Stunning sharp detailed image..love it.
saeid

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kilo363
kilo363  4 Scotland
12 Mar 2010 - 12:22 AM

great detail, great oof b/g and just the single branch with no other distractions. I know nowt about bird photography, but this looks good to me

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RonnieAG
RonnieAG e2 Member 4137 forum postsRonnieAG vcard Scotland110 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 12:27 AM

Good morning, Colin,
This is a rather good capture of the great tit. I have no skills in this direction, so good for you. Nicely composed shot with subject well positioned in the frame.
Regards. Ronnie.

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mikbee
mikbee e2 Member 7mikbee vcard Scotland7 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 12:37 AM

Good capture Colin.I have tried to get a few bird shots in my back garden, but the little sods are too fast for me !!
Mick.

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DanielD
DanielD  4 United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 12:39 AM

Good morning Colin! Your picture is remacable as usual. The great details bring it in my top preferance. Well done!

Dan

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Daisymaye
Daisymaye e2 Member 5Daisymaye vcard Canada9 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 12:43 AM

Excellent detail and colour. Lovely image........Sandy

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Bob_V
Bob_V  6 United States2 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 12:45 AM

What a great capture of this bird Colin.
Bob

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Tosh4photos
12 Mar 2010 - 3:14 AM

Great image

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Evgenya
Evgenya  4 Russian Federation
12 Mar 2010 - 4:01 AM

Very beautiful Tit. excellent detail and color. Great shot, Colin.
Evgenya.

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EAS
EAS e2 Member 5EAS vcard Scotland13 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 4:50 AM

A beauty! Love those tiny wind-blown feathers. A lovely addition to the fine detail.

Ann

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goso
goso e2 Member 7goso vcard Australia1 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 4:56 AM

A splendid pic Col...Bill

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Imagephotographics

Morning Colin - Well done with your first little great tit shot, we were members of the Wetlands for a couple of years, we visited so many times that we got fed up with it - But have been thinking this past week or so about joining up again !

Well done - Chris

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CarolG
CarolG e2 Member 7128 forum postsCarolG vcard Greece16 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 5:48 AM

A super capture, Colin, fine detail. Carol

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Glyn1
Glyn1  5 England1 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 6:51 AM

lovely GT, excellent feather detail & colour, good pose and a great bg.

Glyn

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Lillian
Lillian e2 Member 5Lillian vcard United Kingdom16 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 7:40 AM

I guess I'm back to putting on a feline today...cannot compete with that little beauty...'Dang'!
You managed to single one out of the masses then, every type of little bird there, and even a pheasant bought his wife in.
well done.
Lillian

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EMJAYCEE
EMJAYCEE e2 Member 5EMJAYCEE vcard England10 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 8:04 AM

Great capture Colin with excellent detail and a grand pose.
Joan.

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Cor
Cor  5 Belgium
12 Mar 2010 - 8:06 AM

Superb

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heids
heids  4 Scotland1 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 8:14 AM

Wonderful capture with superb detail. Well done

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Image123
Image123  5 United Kingdom
12 Mar 2010 - 8:23 AM

great shot
gareth

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Adderwatcher
12 Mar 2010 - 8:36 AM

Beautiful capture Colin, the detail is superb.
Scott

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baclark
baclark  53740 forum posts United Kingdom24 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 9:20 AM

Cracking capture of this lovely bird.
Barbara

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Brian65
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12 Mar 2010 - 9:26 AM

Snap Colin, yours takes the prize,great image.
Brian

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PinkK
PinkK  580 forum posts United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 9:56 AM

Wonderful capture

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stephenscott
12 Mar 2010 - 10:20 AM

Excellent colin,this is a superb shot,greatr detail,well taken..

Steve..

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Brian_Scott
Brian_Scott e2 Member 442 forum postsBrian_Scott vcard United Kingdom27 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 10:38 AMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 


Quote: Morning colin
brilliant detail great comp wonderful colour a beautiful capture nice one
andy

Sorry but i would have to disagree with that but as seen as its your first attempt not bad, But if you look closely there is no feather detail especially noticable down its left breast the head and eye area its all very flat with no sparkle in the eye or defination in the feathers. The BG is good tho that is just my opinion and just trying to help as honest critism is what we all want im sure.

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hary60
hary60  5 United Kingdom
12 Mar 2010 - 10:56 AM

Very good first attempt must agree with Brisco the detail is a bit flat
Harry

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Richsr
Richsr e2 Member 790 forum postsRichsr vcard England207 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 11:01 AM

Good first attempt at this Colin.
Regards Richard

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Zoundz
Zoundz  5 Ireland1 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 11:07 AM

Good first shot! Well done, it's not easy at first, but you'll soon get the nag of it! Detail isn't great - but it looks like you've used heavy noise reduction software? I would guessy ou had pretty poor lighting to shoot in? I find my shots lack detail if the light is poor.

A good attempt though! Grin

xx

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colmar
colmar  742 forum posts Scotland35 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 11:10 AM

Yes I did and do use noiseware was a high iso due to the poorish light ..... guess I "overcooked" the noiseware.... Thanks for the comments Smile

Colin

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still2click
12 Mar 2010 - 11:16 AM

wonderful!

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WL_Harris
WL_Harris  5 United States2 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 11:19 AM

Very nice shot Colin and this place sounds so wonderful, I was looking at Lillian's post from here just a short ago and I think I would enjoy becoming a member at a facility like this.
A bit to far for me though Sad
Have a great day and a wonderful weekend.
Lee

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Brian_Scott
Brian_Scott e2 Member 442 forum postsBrian_Scott vcard United Kingdom27 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 11:24 AM


Quote: Yes I did and do use noiseware was a high iso due to the poorish light ..... guess I "overcooked" the noiseware.... Thanks for the comments

Colin

Yes Colin it looks like you have overdone it with the noiseware. Its just gone very flat now and lost all detail its looks to pastey. And i just dont understand all the comments before mine saying great shot ,fantastic as im affraid its not and with people writing that you will think it is and then never learn from mistakes and i thought thats what this site was about (LEARNING) Ive enver used a Noiseware programme so cannot help there sorry but try uploading the orignal as a variant and allow people to modify the orignal for comparison

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Joline
Joline e2 Member 8Joline vcard United States51 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 11:49 AM

V1 has the right tones for me. V2 looks rather harsh somehow.

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Zoundz
Zoundz  5 Ireland1 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 12:01 PM

I do use very light noiseware if I have to - but it really is only gentle backround noise removal - there should be no need for it of course, but sometimes we do have to bump up the ISO.

Don't be at all disheartened, the original image (v2) is lovely despite the noise, much better detail, and a lovely pose and background caught too!

xx

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barbarahirst
barbarahirst e2 Member 6barbarahirst vcard United Kingdom10 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 12:18 PM

I would be delighted if I could get anything as good as this

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Shroomer
Shroomer  7 England167 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 12:28 PM

Thats the problem at Arundel Colin if this was from the hide. The light is poor in there. Best place is to stand on the path and shoot in.
As a couple have said, there is no detail at all in the feathers. The others must be seeing something completely different or are just clickers. It gives the appearance of a wet watercolour. I use Neatimage to rectify mine if noise is visible. The problem is if you reduce the noise then picture quality will fall as well.
Better luck next time.
I appreciate you do not look at mine, but as you say urge you to look and compare the detail
Richard
You have to ask yourself do you ever feel emnarassed getting this amount of votes for something that a lot would bin
This is not a dig it is a very valid question and I hope the clickers read it so it hits home

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Shroomer  7 England167 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 12:37 PM

Just seen V2 and will say that the wb is completely wrong and thus the bird has a green hue

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agingrocker
agingrocker e2 Member 5agingrocker vcard 1 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 1:00 PM

Super detail
Antony

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prabhusinha
prabhusinha e2 Member 6prabhusinha vcard India3 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 1:44 PM

Great treat for Eyes.

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colmar
colmar  742 forum posts Scotland35 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 1:47 PM

A few valid points taken on board ..... a few other points nothing to do with photography not taken. NO I am not embarassed that the social side of the epz scene means a lot of folks comment and vote that is their right . Do I take every comment as the benchmark if I am honest NO ..... I take images and if I like them that is a starting point from me and where I then can move on from.

Would I bin this obviously not. I like it I prefer the edited if too smooth a version, and next time I will try the wb changes and the other points raised to effect the outcome.

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xwang
xwang  531 forum posts7 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 2:48 PM

Beautiful colour and detail,I prefer V1.

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ChiliMan
ChiliMan e2 Member 7135 forum postsChiliMan vcard Singapore17 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 3:17 PM

That's the kind of background which makes a bird stand out so well, Colin.

A.

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PaulLiley
PaulLiley  5 United Kingdom13 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 3:39 PM

Gosh! Its not an area of photography that I have much experience in except to say I have bought a 70-300 in the past 6 months and would like to snap wildlife more often. My portfolio tends to be varied. Jack of all trades etc. etc. that's me. I think its a great start for you and like us all, we improve the more we get into a new area. I've seen that with my landscapes. I just love new challenges and many don't 'come of'. Yours does! ps. I've used noise reduction on my bird pics cos I don't own a very expensive (ie very sharp) telephoto lens. Haven't got the money. Looking forward to more of your feathered friends pics. Paul

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imagio  7 England1 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 3:39 PM

Spot on V 1 for me Colin

Bernie

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ChristineD e2 Member 8ChristineD vcard England
12 Mar 2010 - 4:20 PM

V1 for me, a brilliant capture.
Christine

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sparrowhawk e2 Member 5267 forum postssparrowhawk vcard United Kingdom2 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 5:32 PM

awesome

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KevinWalsham
12 Mar 2010 - 5:34 PM

two cracking images v2 for me

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cassiecat  639 forum posts England46 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 5:45 PM

[quoted text removed by mod following deletion of another post] This is colins first attempt at bird photography and there have been some encouraging and helpful suggestions put forward by richard,brian and laura for areas of improvement.

lesley

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Shroomer  7 England167 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 5:49 PM

That is constructive, I would have deleted it, even after the Mod there are flaws. At Arundel a month ago, I took close on 100 shots from that hide and binned the lot as the light was bad and results were not of a standard to be exhibited on here.

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pluckyfilly e2 Member 7282 forum postspluckyfilly vcard United Kingdom33 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 6:02 PM

as someone that usualy takes landscape pics this is a good effort and not a bad result for a first time wildlife shot, start at the begiinning and improvements will come naturally, you have a good catchlight in the eye and nice clean background - from here it only gets better Colin

I am a member of WWT Arundel and may see you there sometime

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Suehh e2 Member 739 forum postsSuehh vcard England6 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 6:03 PM

Very nice captures Colin. I have had some of these wonderful creatures in my garden during the cold spell and they don't stay still for a second. I never, ever managed to get a shot anywhere near as decent as this and I tried, believe me I tried. I like the pose very much. Sue

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Shroomer  7 England167 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 6:07 PM

Who took all the other bird shots in your portfolio then Colin

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lianna  4 United Kingdom13 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 6:41 PM

a really beautiful capture!!! V1 for me. superb detail x x

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Ray42
Ray42  6 England3 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 7:18 PM

A good shot and some good and interesting advice from Richard

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colmar
colmar  742 forum posts Scotland35 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 7:20 PM

Firstly ..... the blurb above states this is the first from a hide with the sigma and convertor , secondly it meets a standard that for NOW I am happy with. It is a pleasing image to the eye in general, I do appreciate that it is not to a standard of other photographers that concentrate on birds. As I stated above I do take the valid points in critique from those that have provided it. I don't however understand what the problem is with my particular image and why it makes anyone upset and feel the need to come back and make comment on anything OTHER than the image that is posted. I have read extensively the forums and indeed other areas within the epz land and know there is and was an ongoing "feud" regards EC/HC/UA etc ..... I do not wish to get involved ..... I post for MY pleasure I comment on Images that I LIKE for whatever reason .... I am happy to have made new friends and contacts within the gallery and to transfer that to meeting and socialising with them.... I enjoy helping where I can any of the folks that I have managed to do that for...... I do not enjoy having to write this over an image that I took and posted ...... I do welcome constructive critique on MY image and not on the voting habits and comments of those that have done so ........ So AGAIN I ask those that wish to critique or comment constructively then do so , if you wish to make a comment and say this is good , nice , lovely as thats what you think then great..... if you wish to simply snipe because others vote comment for whatever reasons then do not bother .....

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olympus30
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12 Mar 2010 - 7:35 PM

V1 for me, Simple honest shot.


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Shroomer  7 England167 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 7:52 PM

Colin
I apologise for some things I have written, so enough of that.
I hope the MOD did justice. The other thing, which I didn't notice was you used a 2x conv. I wouldn't recommend one at all for birds as the quality really falls with these, a 1.4x is about the limit. The other thing is you would have to have manually focussed which as seen on close up is very good especially as you do not have the time on wild birds. If it was from the hide where the feeders are a 50-500mm is ample focal length there.
Richard

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colmar
colmar  742 forum posts Scotland35 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 8:02 PM

Thank you , and yes I appreciated the mod. I also would not use the convertor again , as you rightly say there is no need for it at the hides ..... I look to improve and as stated earlier certainly take on board a multitude of the comments made by yourself Brisco and Zounds in particular.

Colin

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Shootme
Shootme  4 England
12 Mar 2010 - 8:06 PM

Blimey mate, all you did was post a shot! and a very nice shot too. I bet you did'nt expect the Spanish inquesition? I guess, its because you said it was a first? I shall start a patition, "More bird shots from Colin". And be the first to sign up.

Jim.

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ChiliMan e2 Member 7135 forum postsChiliMan vcard Singapore17 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 8:34 PM

I second Jim.

"More bird shots from Colin"

A Smile

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GalleryGirl
12 Mar 2010 - 8:43 PM

He's beautiful. Well captured. I wish I had the patience to do more bird shots... although probably best I don't!

Marilyn x

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discreetphoton Site Moderator 93443 forum postsdiscreetphoton vcard United Kingdom20 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 9:31 PM

Glad that's all sorted then Smile

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borrower
borrower  4 England
12 Mar 2010 - 9:54 PM

Super capture, lovely detail, prefer V1 though.
Louise

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Roly
Roly  7 Wales
12 Mar 2010 - 10:23 PM

I would have been pleased to have taken these.V1 for me.

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tigertimb
tigertimb  640 forum posts United Kingdom66 Constructive Critique Points
13 Mar 2010 - 1:38 AMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

A lovely shot Colin and a definite keeper in my book; good DOF, I like your composition and focus spot on.
And the original in #2 is showing some excellent detail and sparkle in the eye; apply your colour changes from #1 to #2, recover the highlights a little and I think it will sing.
For my money, I almost never apply noise reduction to fur or feather details as the baby goes out with the bathwater and you lose all the fine detail. A little noise gets lost with all the feathers and so isn't a problem; although if it's distinctly coloured you may want to correct just the chroma noise or desaturate in the blacks and whites as an alternative.
The lovely smooth background you've got though, is a different matter entirely - here the noise stands out to my brain and is noticable - so I would simply output from the RAW twice; once without noise reduction for your subject and once with the noise reduction for your background (probably with all sharpening disabled too) and then layer the two together - it's all about knowing where the software does a bad job and not giving it the opportunity! (PM me if you need a hand with the layers and masks)
Seems like you've the perfect image here to practise on and hone your bird editing skills to match your photography Smile
Tim

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Canadiann
Canadiann  4 Canada2 Constructive Critique Points
13 Mar 2010 - 9:52 PM

As you know I am no photographer Colin, but I do know what I like and I like this very much.
Another very fine piece.
Regards
Ann

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nickyv32
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13 Mar 2010 - 10:54 PM

Great detailed shot, love the little sticky out feather

Nicky Smile

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photoflacky
20 Mar 2010 - 5:15 PM

love this shot and nicely positioned in frame...which in turn gives impact to the image.....lee

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LukeParkinson
20 Mar 2010 - 5:17 PM

Good capture. I think that Richard has improved it slightly. Well done

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pascalg
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21 Mar 2010 - 5:23 PM

nicely done

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