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First of all I haven't upgraded to a D90 (yet) this was taken with my cousin's camera. I was a bit late in the day taking this as it was pitch black. Not the best idea when using an unfamiliar piece of kitSad
Both shots came out under exposed by one to two stops and I didn't realise until I put them on the laptop that the exposure time had topped out at 30s. Do I need to be in manual to increase this?
This was taken at Lake Garda, Italy a short walk from our hotel in Riva.
I look forward to your comments.
Phil

Brand:Nikon CORPORATION
Camera:Nikon D90 Check out Nikon Nation!
Lens:18.0-105.0 mm f/3.5-5.6
Recording media:RAW (digital)
Date Taken:3 Apr 2011 - 8:33 PM
Focal Length:22mm
Lens Max Aperture:f/3.7
Aperture:f/18.0
Shutter Speed:30sec
Exposure Comp:0.0
ISO:200
Exposure Mode:Aperture-priority AE
Metering Mode:Multi-segment
Flash:No Flash
Title:Harbour Lights
Username:Philo Philo
Uploaded:20 Apr 2011 - 6:07 AM
Tags:Lake garda, Landscape / travel
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paulbroad
paulbroad  681 forum posts United Kingdom843 Constructive Critique Points
20 Apr 2011 - 6:44 PM

Both are decent shots, and yes, you would need to go onto bulb to get longer than 30 sec. But you will very rarely need it - not here. Exposure is quite good, but everything is a bit to the bottom of the frame and you need to spot out that bright light/flag or whatever it is. Very eye catching.

Generally a good pair of images.

Paul

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devlin  4651 forum posts India39 Constructive Critique Points
20 Apr 2011 - 8:12 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Hi Phil, a pleasing set of images, though i think V2 is much better than V1 as i feel that the yacht and the background sort of compete in V1. I think the exposure seems to be ok, but i would probably have underexposed this one slightly or metered for exposing the RHS of the image which due to the concentration of the lights on that side seems a little too bright Smile which sort of gives the impression of one big source of light rather than a chain of light stars, i typically go for manual mode for night shots, to get the exposure right, in this case probably a lower f value of around f/13-16 would have allowed you to take a shorter exposure. I would also try and crop this a bit from the top since the shoreline is a bit distance a letter box crop might bring the subject into more prominance. I have done a rough mod where i tried to lower the temp a bit cloned out the light source (iam assuming its coming from a building) in the top middle of the image and then cropped a bit from the left and the top. Of course these are just my suggestions from my little experience in shooting in the night Smile V2 as it stands looks good too Smile

PS : - Looks like i uploaded the wrong mod, please ignore it # 2 is the correct one.

Cheers

Prabh

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Philo e2 Member 464 forum postsPhilo vcard England83 Constructive Critique Points
20 Apr 2011 - 8:45 PM

Many thanks Paul I will have to give manual a try but as you say probably not needed for this shot. The bright light on the mountain side is actually a castle but I guess it is too small and just serves as a distraction.
Prabh, thanks again you seem to be doing a good job on mods for my shots. Your crop loses the dead space and castle and, as such, works rather well. Interestingly the exposure looks more like the original so I think I may have tried to add too much light to reveal detail in the mountain.
All good learningSmile
Cheers,
Phil

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Jestertheclown
20 Apr 2011 - 10:16 PM

Hi Phil,

I think that this is one of those shots, or at least the original is, that you could process in a dozen different ways and you'd end up with a dozen equally pleasing images!
I very much prefer the processing of the buildings and quaysides in V1 but obviously, the sky/background hasn't worked quite so well. I'd guess you've used the shadows/highlights tool?
I also think that the inclusion of the yacht makes the shot.
And lose the castle.
I'm not sure quite what I can achieve here but I might try a mod.
Hope this helps.

Bren.

Last Modified By Jestertheclown at 20 Apr 2011 - 10:18 PM

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Jestertheclown
20 Apr 2011 - 10:46 PM

Hi again Phil,

I've tried all sorts on this and there's no easy fix that I can see.
I've uploaded a mod. in which I've made a few adjustments using shadows/highlights but they're very slight and don't really show at the size of the mod. I've removed the castle and its reflection and carried out some pretty specific cloning on the sky. I've tried to end up with what looks something like ambient light above the buildings fading to darkness. It's not entirely successful but hopefully, you'll get the idea.
As I've already said, it's difficult to see changes in mods. of this size unless they're fairly dramatic changes and really, these aren't!
Anyway, hope it's OK.

Bren.

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Jestertheclown
20 Apr 2011 - 10:48 PM

Hmmm.
Sorry. That hasn't fared at all well in the transition from here to there.
I'd retained much better exposure in the bright bits than is showing in my mod.

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Philo e2 Member 464 forum postsPhilo vcard England83 Constructive Critique Points
21 Apr 2011 - 4:05 PM

Hi Bren, you seem to have been quite busy whilst I was at work. Okay your mod may not have turned out quite as planned but I do get where you are coming from. As I said above I have tried too hard to reveal detail in the mountain (no sky present in the shot btw) and need to start from scratch again.
Glad you like the yacht as I think it adds depth to an otherwise flat shot.
Your valuable input is much appreciated as always.
Phil

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thebird
thebird Junior Member 5 England
21 Apr 2011 - 4:39 PM

Hi Phil,
Glad if it's helpful, even if it didn't quite work.
The version I had here, was much more punchy and definitely sharper.
I'm sure that there's something in the uploading of mods. process that sometimes causes some deterioration. This isn't the first time this has happened to one of mine.
They're reproduced at a much smaller size than the OPs' shots that we download to work on and I'm wondering if the subsequent resizing to make the mods. smaller is the cause of it.
I'm going to try resizing mods. myself to whatever size they need to be (I'll download one and see) and we'll see if that makes a difference. Sadly, I've already deleted this one. It would have been an ideal candidate to try out my theory.

Cheers,

Bren.

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Jestertheclown
21 Apr 2011 - 6:53 PM

Whoops, Sent that whilst Chloe was logged in!

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