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Taken yesterday evening. We went out to see if we could see any of the balloons from the Northampton Balloon Festival, but were a little late and only managed to see one that had landed and was going down. On the way home, we stopped at this mill and I took this from the bridge over the river. I am reasonably happy with the picture, but not the sky, which lacks finer detail. Can anyone advise me how to get more detail into skies, ie. would filters help? Different settings?
Any advice would be gratefully received.
Apeture 22
Shutter 0.6

Sorry I deleted a minute ago, pressed the wrong button. Also how do you get a line around the picture on the border?

Thanks

Sarah

Camera:Canon EOS 20D
Lens:17-85mm
Recording media:Digital ISO 100
Title:Hardwater Mill (Advice needed)
Username:whipspeed whipspeed
Uploaded:22 Aug 2005 - 8:50 AM
Tags:Landscape / travel
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Miles Herbert
22 Aug 2005 - 8:52 AM

Yes, filters would help, especially Neutral Density Graduated filters... or ND Grads as they are better known... Have a look at Cokin Filters, Lee Filters, Hitech filters etc etc for some ideas of what you'll need.

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whipspeed
whipspeed e2 Member 94038 forum postswhipspeed vcard United Kingdom22 Constructive Critique Points
22 Aug 2005 - 8:54 AM

Thank you Miles, I'll look into those.
Thanks for the advice .
Sarah

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Miles Herbert
22 Aug 2005 - 9:05 AM

Have a look through the forums as well, there have been loads of questions on filters in the past...

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whipspeed
whipspeed e2 Member 94038 forum postswhipspeed vcard United Kingdom22 Constructive Critique Points
22 Aug 2005 - 10:07 AM

Will do, thanks again.

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oscar
oscar  10
22 Aug 2005 - 10:14 AM

Sarah,
As above a grad grey filter helps, another trick is to take 2 pics, one of the subject and one of the sky and then join them together. Its more fiddly but can give good results. As for the line around the picture, if you have photoshop, go to edit-stroke, set the pixel width and hit enter. You shoulds get a black border, if you get a white one, delete it & reverse the black white bit in the tools box. good pic. Hope this helps

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sandyb  1034 forum posts United Kingdom
22 Aug 2005 - 8:15 PM

A Great capture,good composition I like the detail and color. sandyb

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whipspeed e2 Member 94038 forum postswhipspeed vcard United Kingdom22 Constructive Critique Points
23 Aug 2005 - 1:01 AM

Thanks for the comments & thanks for the advice oscar. Something else for me to try. I'm popping there again this week as it is only just down the road from us so I can try again.

Sarah

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JJGEE  96205 forum posts England18 Constructive Critique Points
24 Aug 2005 - 12:56 AM

Generally a Neutral Density Graduate would help balance the EV values between a brighter sky and darker landscape - this would help bring out detail in the sky but it really needs an almost level horizon to be effective.
Here, for example the, right hand tree intrudes and would get blocked in even more with the effect of a filter cutting across it.

Finally - perhaps the time of day / conditions were just not quite right for the shot you were hoping for this time.

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robadsy
robadsy  9348 forum posts
24 Aug 2005 - 1:03 AM

hey sarah, nice serene country shot. very relaxing to look at!

i know sod all about landscapes, architecture etc, so i will just leave it at that :o)

added a mod, to give an example of lying a frame over the pic. treat the very inside as the mat in a normal frame. then usually a thinish black line (the inside edge of a frame), and then whatever you want the frame to look like.

something you need to be patient with, and be prepared to play with a little.

well done here! ads :o)

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whipspeed
whipspeed e2 Member 94038 forum postswhipspeed vcard United Kingdom22 Constructive Critique Points
24 Aug 2005 - 1:24 AM

Thanks for all the advice & mods. Ads, thanks for the instuctions, I will play later at home & not at work!
Jeff, thanks for the filter advice.
This is what I like about this site, lots of help.
Sarh

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keithh
keithh  1022726 forum posts Wallis and Futuna29 Constructive Critique Points
24 Aug 2005 - 1:49 AM

The trick here would be to get the shot when the sun was over your left shoulder...if thats possible, with the light on the subject. That way, even with a grad filter you can bring the graduation way down to the reflections in the water and the sunlight will cut the details of the houses and the tree through the grad.

But myself, on a shot like this I wouldnt worry unduly about the sky. It takes up such a small proportion of the image that it's not something people would automatically look for.

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24 Aug 2005 - 3:19 AM

Thanks Keith. I'll go back in the morning if we get a good weekend as the sun will be in the exact position you've advised.

Thanks for the help.
Sarah

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itsasetamendi
24 Aug 2005 - 6:38 AM

I see you have the 20D Sarah. Did you shoot in RAW format? If you did you could process a version of this shot digitally underexposed to get some detail in the sky and another exposed correctly for the lake then merge the two (essentially doing digitally what Oscar suggested) There are a number of methods for doing this - you'll find a good tutorial here. I discovered last weekend that I had gone out without my ND grads but still got very acceptable results using this method. Hope that helps.
Gareth

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whipspeed e2 Member 94038 forum postswhipspeed vcard United Kingdom22 Constructive Critique Points
24 Aug 2005 - 7:01 AM

Yes I did shoot in Raw Gareth, so I'll look into that. Thanks for the advice.
Sarah

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24 Aug 2005 - 11:37 AM

Keith, Thanks for the mod, you've made one of my landscapes bearable!
Thanks again for the advice.

Sarah

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whipspeed e2 Member 94038 forum postswhipspeed vcard United Kingdom22 Constructive Critique Points
24 Aug 2005 - 11:39 AM

Keith, Thanks for the mod, you've made one of my landscapes bearable! Just a bit of print prep! Wizard more like.
Thanks again for the advice.

Sarah

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flakeyflower
6 Nov 2005 - 1:46 AM

like them all, but prefer this one

lynne

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whipspeed e2 Member 94038 forum postswhipspeed vcard United Kingdom22 Constructive Critique Points
6 Nov 2005 - 11:15 PM

Thanks Lynne
Sarah

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