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It was suggested that one of my next moves was to try a head shot on the local mallard drake.
I'm not sure that this is the drake referred to, but it's one of the locals Smile
Mods, constructive comments, always welcome

Brand:Sony
Camera:Sony A200
Lens:75-300 AF-D
Recording media:RAW (digital)
Date Taken:25 May 2011 - 3:58 PM
Focal Length:300mm
Lens Max Aperture:f/5.6
Aperture:f/8.0
Shutter Speed:1/400sec
Exposure Comp:0.0
ISO:800
Exposure Mode:Shutter speed priority AE
Metering Mode:Center-weighted average
Flash:Off, Did not fire
Title:Head Shot
Username:strokebloke strokebloke
Uploaded:25 May 2011 - 7:30 PM
Tags:Duck, General, Portrait, Wildlife / nature
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Gypsyman
Gypsyman e2 Member 3659 forum postsGypsyman vcard England
25 May 2011 - 8:02 PM

Great, if you had got any nearer yo would have been drawn in to the Black Hole, in his bill. Eric.

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Briwooly
Briwooly  8452 forum posts England5 Constructive Critique Points
25 May 2011 - 8:13 PM

Great close up have up loaded a mod let me know your thoughts

Brian........................

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strokebloke
25 May 2011 - 8:34 PM

Hello Brian, I run CS4 not 5: but I'd like to know how you've done that. Can it be done in CS4?
You've obviously done something to sharpen it, but in addition the eye detail leaps off the page at you now.
The sharpening, if that's what you've done, is a bit beyond my taste, but that eye is 'magical'.
I suppose that you can't have one without the other, can you?

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strokebloke
25 May 2011 - 8:37 PM

I've just had a visit to your pf, & I DO like your ' Mr & Mrs Blackie'

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Briwooly
Briwooly  8452 forum posts England5 Constructive Critique Points
25 May 2011 - 8:40 PM

Jack you can have one without the other use the Sharpening tool in your tool menu and you can sharpen what ever area you require and to what ever degree hope this helps.

Brian.........................................

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strokebloke
25 May 2011 - 8:48 PM

Brian. Can you explain that please. What do you mean by sharpening 'tool'
I often use Unsharp Mask; & Sharpen Edges: How would you highlight the area you want to sharpen?

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Jestertheclown
25 May 2011 - 8:53 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Hi Jack,

I agree that the sharpening in Brian's mod is quite extreme; a bit too much for me too but I guess it's all in the eye of etc.
I've uploaded a mod. in which I've selectively sharpened just the eye. I haven't touched anything else at all.
I used the magnetic lasso to isolate it then the unsharp mask at an amount of 200% (really!), a radius of 1px. and a threshold of 8. I then applied an "S" curve to promote some more contrast and brightness.
I used CS5 but I doubt that I've done anything that you wouldn't be able to do using CS4.
Hope it's OK.

Cheers,

Bren.

Edit; Jack, if I haven't explained that sufficiently fully, you know where to find me!

Last Modified By Jestertheclown at 25 May 2011 - 8:56 PM

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Briwooly
Briwooly  8452 forum posts England5 Constructive Critique Points
25 May 2011 - 9:11 PM

Jack if you need more advice message or e-mail me Grin

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strokebloke
25 May 2011 - 9:25 PM

Right, got that Bren (& BrianGrin)
Mine hasn't come out quite the way either of yours did,(Tongue) but what I'd done I saved as file "No.'b'" then opened the original & by clicking between them could see that what I'd done had made a difference.
Something else learned.
I suspected from things that I'd read on people's crit/comments that there must be a way to isolate individual parts of an image; but I didn't know how to do it.
Presumably, once a part is selected, by whatever means, any adjustment can be applied to it.
It doesn't just relate to sharpening or curves, does it?

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damienvc
damienvc  328 forum posts Belgium2 Constructive Critique Points
25 May 2011 - 9:33 PM

I don't know what options you had with the original shot, but the composition looks ever so slightly cramped to me. If you'd been able to include more of the right hand side of the duck's neck this might have helped bring the duck out more, if that makes sense. Great shot though - wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of him!

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strokebloke
25 May 2011 - 9:42 PM

Just loaded a V2 Brian & Bren.
Thanks for the offer from both for PM email. Very much appreciated.

damienvc. Well done. You spotted the deliberate mistake GrinTongue
I had a 70-300mm lens on. The drake positioned himself; I couldn't move backwards without disturbing him & losing the shot, so I made sure that I got all of his beak & as much of his head as possible.
Ideally, I could have done with being a foot further back.

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Jestertheclown
25 May 2011 - 9:47 PM


Quote: Presumably, once a part is selected, by whatever means, any adjustment can be applied to it.
It doesn't just relate to sharpening or curves, does it?

Yep!

Once you've isolated the bit you want, that bit alone becomes the "image" refered to by the erm, "image" button on your toolbar and you can do whatever you like to it.
Just to really confuse you; if you lasso one a part of your image, for example the eye, in this case, then go to "select", then "inverse" from the frop down, the eye will remain untouched but the rest of yoyur image will become the "image".
That may be easier to understand if you try it!

Cheers,

Bren.

Last Modified By Jestertheclown at 25 May 2011 - 9:48 PM

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strokebloke
25 May 2011 - 9:50 PM

Just comparing the two Mods with V2, I see that I could still have done a lot more.
But I understand the principle now.

thanks all Smile

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Jestertheclown
25 May 2011 - 9:54 PM

Trial and error Jack. I'm not sure that your V2's lacking sharpness, although I did push it a bit by comparison, I rather think it could do with a little more contrast and brightness. I'm only talking about the eye now.

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strokebloke
25 May 2011 - 10:22 PM

Just done a V3 Bren. An improvement, hopefully, in line with your suggestion Grin

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Grampy
Grampy  4507 forum posts England71 Constructive Critique Points
25 May 2011 - 10:45 PM

Evening Jack, I agree with the fact that it is cropped a bit close , I did a little mod to see how it would look with more background not particularly well cloned, I've tried to add a bit of brilliance to the color and the eye. I'm sure that with a bit more time the background could be added with success. I sugest that the slight lack in quality is because of the 800 iso. It's a nice shot but next time ask him to stand a bit further away Wink
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Jestertheclown
25 May 2011 - 10:57 PM

You've got the idea Jack!

It's always a good idea to carry out these alterations using layers of course. That way, if something goes wrong you can easily rectify or remove it and depending upon how you arrange them, you can compare your adjustments with each other as you go along.
It's not something that I (usually) bother with when I'm producing mods, but I wouldn't edit one of my own images any other way.

Bren.

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strokebloke
25 May 2011 - 11:01 PM

Good evening Phill. Thanks for the mod.
As Bren said
Quote: Trial and error Jack

But significant ground gained this evening Grin

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strokebloke
25 May 2011 - 11:06 PM

I've also found that if I save the selection entitled 'eye' I can return to it easily with each layer I use. Helpful Grin
Only discovered this when I found that upon moving from one function to another [say contrast to vibrance] the eye deselected and the vibrance affected the whole image again.

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banehawi
banehawi Critique Team 10777 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada2778 Constructive Critique Points
26 May 2011 - 12:29 AMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

A very good detailed shot. I like V1, and as it is looks fine, - with some more space around the head so its less cramped.

Heres a link to read for information on Layers and Masks, - the secret weapon in Photoshop: http://www.ephotozine.com/article/layer-masks----photoshop-guide-4606

You can apply any adjustment, filter, distortion, etc to any part of any image selectively if you use this method. You can do this also quickly by selecting the area, like the eye for a quick touch up, but spend tsome time with this link and you will be quite amazed by what you can do.

Sharpening has numerous approaches, and all have their fans. The reliable, repeatable approach is to use Unsharp Mask (USM) as follows:

Set Radius = 0.8

Set Threshold = 3.

Slide Amount all the way to the right, to completely oversharpen the image, - so you can see what over done looks like.

Then slide the Amount slider to the left until it looks sharp, and has no "halos" around edges.

Remember that you always sharpen the Re Sized shot for EPZ, - even if your original was sharp, - check anyway and apply some sharpening, as file size compression can make an image soft.


Hope this helps, and gives you hours of fun!


regards


Willie

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strokebloke
26 May 2011 - 8:18 AM

Thank you Wille, for all of the info. Particularly for the link. That is excellent.

I will look into it, with some enthusiasm.

Jack

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strokebloke
26 May 2011 - 10:36 AM

Thanks Frank. Grin
you're beginnig to sound like JustJas Smile

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pamelajean Critique Team 8748 forum postspamelajean vcard United Kingdom1575 Constructive Critique Points
26 May 2011 - 4:26 PM

I have read all of this with great interest, Jack, and have nothing further to add in the way of advice or critique. I am so glad you took up the challenge of a close shot, and you did extremely well. Remember to leave space (if there is time to compose the shot) in front of your subject so that it doesn't look restricted or tight in the frame, give it room to look/move into.
Pamela.

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strokebloke
26 May 2011 - 5:05 PM

Hello Pamela. Thanks for your kind words. Smile
Following perceived wisdom from here (Grin) I've done a Mod of my own, extending the canvas at both the bill end and the head end and cloned in the rear of his head [shape etc taken from another photo] Then framed it. GrinGrin
And Frank & yourself are quite right, it does, indeed, look much better.
I've Emailed a copy of it to Phill [McCordall] as he did a quick clone last night as an example mod.
(though it has slightly over-sharpened it converting to giff for web transfer)

Brian, Bren & Willy have opened up a new world for me in PS.
Layers I've used in AutoCAD design drafting programmes for years, so they were no surprise to me in PS.
Masks are largely a mystery, so I have much learning to do. Being able to isolate specific items or areas within an image is like opening a Pandora's box. Grin

And of course I've got files full of rubbish images that I can practice on GrinGrinGrinGrinGrin

Kind regards,

Jack

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Jestertheclown
26 May 2011 - 5:34 PM


Quote: I've got files full of rubbish

. . . haven't we all?

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strokebloke
27 May 2011 - 3:50 PM

Still on 2000 version; but it's more than enough for me now.
I occasionally do LA Building Control engineers submission check work & for the odd detail amendment suggestion. For that it is more than sufficient. I run Excell spreadsheet programmes for calc work & checks, and that's it.
I started off on the PC, from the drawing board, with version R13: that's an utter dinosaur now Grin

In all honesty Frank, I'm not dreadfully sorry to be virtually retired.
I'm 64; I've done my bit.
It's the new generations' world now, and I'm happy to let them have it, whilst I enjoy my retirement. Grin

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