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Well some of you may notice that i have changed my name, this is a simular to the manip i did on Relaxed but applied to a portrait.
What do you guys and gals all think is it any good or am i way off track with this.

Thanks for all you positive comments on my last upload as always they are very much appricated.

Tony

Camera:Nikon D3 sb900 + ringflash Check out Nikon Nation!
Lens:24-70 2.8
Recording media:RAW (digital)
Title:I want candy
Username:Tonyd3 Tonyd3
Uploaded:6 Aug 2010 - 9:12 AM
Tags:Digitally manipulated, Flash / lighting, Portraits / people
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mohikan22
mohikan22  102188 forum posts United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
6 Aug 2010 - 9:15 AM

I like it but imo i would just pop (with colour)the eye to make it stand a little more.
matt.

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Ruggieru
Ruggieru  9 Malta
6 Aug 2010 - 9:28 AM

Very interesting portrait!

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W1ldside
W1ldside  4 United Kingdom29 Constructive Critique Points
6 Aug 2010 - 9:39 AMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Finding a different angle on one's Art is highly desirable and indeed Inspiring Tony but although the model is a beautiful apparition I personally ( Oh ****! Here we go...) find the Image is neither High Key/ Low key or correct?
It appears very flat on my screen with no contrast at all and does very little for the Beauty beyond.
Probably get a few eyes rolling Tony but I feel we as photographers on this site are going no where without independant but more to the point Honest comments ~ A photograph and Image for me has to evoke a reaction of immense emotion to obtain a response of passion and inspiration and appreciation, of which your studio dance portraits have but this recent line leaves me cold and deflated ....
I have commented as above Tony as requested and mean nothing derogatory to your usual Compelling and Inspirational work.

Kind Regards
Rick

Last Modified By W1ldside at 6 Aug 2010 - 9:45 AM

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PHolder
PHolder  4 United Kingdom
6 Aug 2010 - 9:40 AM

Brilliant! I love the high key effect

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cassiecat
cassiecat  639 forum posts England46 Constructive Critique Points
6 Aug 2010 - 9:49 AM

really like the pose and the desaturated look emphasises the eye and lips beautifully. the hair does looks alittle flat.lesley

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Tonyd3
Tonyd3  101009 forum posts United Kingdom15 Constructive Critique Points
6 Aug 2010 - 9:52 AM

Bingo, thanks very much Rick, i have notice of late that no one seems to want to make really good critique on here.

I really dont mind anyone telling me this is rubbish otherwise i can not move forward, im trying some new manipulations in the hope of finding something i can call a style that is recognisable.

I am so pleased you have said what you have Rick.

Regards
Tony

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Tonyd3
Tonyd3  101009 forum posts United Kingdom15 Constructive Critique Points
6 Aug 2010 - 10:13 AM

Let me give you a little background to this image it may help to move it forward.

This is taken against a white wall with ambient light filling in from both sides, i was very close to the model with a 24-70mm lens no more than 3 feet away at best, i used an ORBIS ringflash on the camera mounted SB900 set in TTL in balanced fill mode at 250th sec at f2.8 with auto white balance in manual mode adjusting only the EV setting on flash to correct the exposure. This is a tried and tested methord that works very well for weddings etc.

I have yet to take to the ringflash as it does flatten the image if you dont have light coming from other directions hence the reason for TTL in balanced fill mode. What i should have done in hind sight is add two more flashguns behind on both left and right sides to give some depth.

The manip is several layers filled with white adjusting the opacity and blending modes with layer masks to cut out the parts i want to keep, some layers are blured some are not.

Some Dodge and Burn is then applied as required to the eyes and other areas.

Last Modified By Tonyd3 at 6 Aug 2010 - 10:14 AM

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W1ldside
W1ldside  4 United Kingdom29 Constructive Critique Points
6 Aug 2010 - 10:23 AMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Thanks Tony ~ Of late I too have noticed the lack of truthful responses to uploads in the hope of obtaining that additional vote of which, on initially joining EPZ, I was guilty of to the point of wanting my own work to be up there with the best...
However, of late I am confident in saying EPZ and it's following of several gifted artists has truly inspired and rekindled my own standard of Images to the point where I am actively taking Photographs every day with a passion to advance and so the votes are irrelevant compared to the Inspiration now instilled.
I personally will continue now to peruse the Gallery of EPZ as a means of enjoyment and leave constructive comments and in line a vote on images that have drawn an emotive response good or bad regardless of the reciprocated voting method clearly used on site...
Apologies Tony on using your Upload for today to air opinions that you have bought to the fore but think your point about not being able to progress without honesty is only too true and false voting is of no consequence in this forward thinking approach.
Good luck with your own creativity for the future Tony.
Regards Rick (Phew!)

Last Modified By W1ldside at 6 Aug 2010 - 10:24 AM

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photographerjoe
photographerjoe e2 Member 8photographerjoe vcard United Kingdom
6 Aug 2010 - 11:14 AM

As they say 'you can't win em all', however I do think there is real potential in the image, look forward to see how you progress with this treatment.........Joe

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BobFancy
BobFancy  5 United Kingdom4 Constructive Critique Points
6 Aug 2010 - 11:20 AM

I'm not sure if this comment is of any use but I really like it, its a great image and the high key effect works for me.

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Dennis_Bromage
6 Aug 2010 - 11:39 AMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

I'm not qualified to offer any sort of constructive critique on this sort of image but from a purely personal point of view I REALLY like it. The model is obviously stunning which helps but I do love the subtlety of the image and the way you're drawn to her very beautiful eye. For me at least it all hangs together perfectly.

If you want really honest constructive critiques try the Critique Gallery. I'm loving it in there as people seem much more comfortable giving honest feedback. I think a big part of it is that in the normal gallery you feel obliged to leave a vote if you comment so it can feel uncomfortable making negative comments. In the critique galley the complication of votes is removed so people feel more comfortable saying what they really think. Just a thought but it's working for me Smile
Den

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rontear
rontear e2 Member 11rontear vcard England4 Constructive Critique Points
6 Aug 2010 - 12:17 PM

The eye has it Tony, excellent approach to portraiture. Ron.

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Richsr
Richsr e2 Member 790 forum postsRichsr vcard England209 Constructive Critique Points
6 Aug 2010 - 12:37 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Like your possessing in this Tony, for me this is about the eye which holds your attention, and it works but then the more you look you see the hair that cuts across the eye and for me I think that would be better clones out.
Regards Richard

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Tonyd3
Tonyd3  101009 forum posts United Kingdom15 Constructive Critique Points
6 Aug 2010 - 12:56 PM

Thanks alot everyone im really appriciating the comments, funny i notice the hair after i uploaded and not while processing the image.
May be im being more objective after a nights sleep!!!!!

Thanks all please keep them coming.

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User_Removed
6 Aug 2010 - 1:25 PM

Excellent High Key image (Wink) Like it immensely - the eye completes the composition perfectly.

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dathersmith
6 Aug 2010 - 2:33 PM

Bang on the mark for me Tony. I can see where Rick is coming from but I think its the subtlety of the image that attracts me to it, great eye contact and I like the hint of colour in the lips. I can also agree with Richards point about the hair across the eye looking better cloned out but in a way it frames the eye if that makes sense. Anyway that's what I'd say if it was my image as I wouldn't have the skill to clone the hair out.

Looking forward to more like this.

Darren.

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Tonyd3
Tonyd3  101009 forum posts United Kingdom15 Constructive Critique Points
6 Aug 2010 - 3:10 PM

Hi Darren

thanks for your comments, i would not clone it out but it is simple to do set the clone tool at a very low opacity, say 5% adjust the blending modes to lighten or darken dependent on which area you are doing and use a feathered brush building it up in strokes.
It really is easy that way.

I would use the background colours of the eyes with a soft feathered brush at about 3% opacity going over it gently till you can not see it. using blending modes of lighten or darken hue or colour dependent on the locations. build it up in stages the finish off with the healing tool at say 3-5 pixels. hope this helps

Regards
Tony

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dathersmith
6 Aug 2010 - 3:57 PM

Thanks for the advice Tony, I'll give it a go on an image of mine to try it out.

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Eviscera
Eviscera e2 Member 81104 forum postsEviscera vcard United Kingdom149 Constructive Critique Points
6 Aug 2010 - 6:46 PM

Good advice about putting it the shark pool , erm Critique gallery I mean !

Its a stunner for sure mate , but the cheek under her hair seems oddly mis-shapen and Im sure you can see some smudgies round the lips.

I dont think its the brush opacity , 3% is good , perhaps the flow was a bit strong.

Last vote I get from you then lol.

atb

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SurreyHillsMan
SurreyHillsMan e2 Member 627 forum postsSurreyHillsMan vcard England2 Constructive Critique Points
6 Aug 2010 - 7:41 PM

I really like this Tony... I don't think it looks flat as the processing and lighting attract the viewer to the eye along with the natural framing of the hair

Jon

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Tonyd3
Tonyd3  101009 forum posts United Kingdom15 Constructive Critique Points
6 Aug 2010 - 9:27 PM

Thanks all for your comments each one is very much appriciated except for you DAVE, anyway you need to put one up first as i voted on the last one.

Have a great weekend everyone.

Tony

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Eviscera
Eviscera e2 Member 81104 forum postsEviscera vcard United Kingdom149 Constructive Critique Points
6 Aug 2010 - 10:29 PM

All in good taste mate. Soz.

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Tonyd3
Tonyd3  101009 forum posts United Kingdom15 Constructive Critique Points
7 Aug 2010 - 5:45 AM

Me to Dave so i hope you have not taken my comment the wrong way. sometimes being "dry with our sense of humor" does come out in the wrong way, my comment could be misread if you dont know my "SOH", for that, i sincerly applogise. Smile

Shark pool it is then Smile

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johnnyboy114
7 Aug 2010 - 10:04 AM

Tony, I always hope I leave "critique" to an image that is hopefully encouraging or helpful....I cannot and will not comment on anything that is PS/LR related as my skills are next to nothing compared to someone like yourself and some of the other advanced/pro/top level togs on this site. It would be like trying to tell Eddie Van Halen how to play guitar when I all I can do is play Guitar Hero! So, I wouldn't dare. But my photos are aspiring to get better and better and I would like to take everything to another level and photos like this are a higher inspiration to myself and hopefully others on this site. Some may see things that others don't, which I feel has happened here. But there is nothing wrong in that, as thats the beauty and nature of photography. I know what I like, I can't say I know what everyone else likes, so I won't argue with any of the critique on here. But what I will say is that when I opened this image up, I was, frankly, quite blown away by it. I don't give "buttered up" comments to gather votes on my own photos....I know my own stuff isn't good enough and don't get that many votes anyway, so bugger that.....whats the point? But I WILL give comments that I feel are worth giving if I find an image inspirational.....and for me, this is one of them. Ok, there may be points that can be picked up, but for me, when you look at the image as whole, those things are things that can be dealt with and the image, on first impact, is really quite special. The eye makes it for me. Its tack sharp, it has a wonderful contact and beams out from under the hair. The lens may be the reason there is a lack of "depth" in the image and I guess, stating the obvious, changing to a longer lens might fix this. But when you look at it, with the tones, the colours (or lack of) and the DOF that it has at a micro level, its trully a staggering image. Just utterly wonderful and I for one, if I had taken this, I would have been bouncing off the ceiling......take this "crit" as you like, but for me, this is very, very special indeed. Nice one Tony, I hope to take images like this one day.....

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Tonyd3
Tonyd3  101009 forum posts United Kingdom15 Constructive Critique Points
7 Aug 2010 - 12:50 PM

Thank Johnny, i really enjoy your critiques, they always inspire me to to better with mine, i have never been good with words or with a pencil or pen, and can not draw to save my life, i dont alway get it right which is what i think i was trying to prove here.

Thanks Johnny.

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franfoto
franfoto  6 England32 Constructive Critique Points
7 Aug 2010 - 9:25 PM

I find this kind of processing very appealing and for this reason was attracted to this image instantly, I do however find the couple of 'hot spots' on the background are tending to spoil the overall effect. Other than that, It has inspired me to experiment with a few of my own in a similar way, and for that, you get my vote.
Great looking model by the way.
Fran

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FeatherFriend e2 Member 626 forum postsFeatherFriend vcard England217 Constructive Critique Points
8 Aug 2010 - 11:14 AM

Hi Tony, my shots are mainly wildlife so technically I know nothing about this field of photography. However, when I first opened the shot and viewed large I have to say I was immediately very impressed. If I do at some time decide to have a go at something similar this is what I would be aiming for,
Geoff.

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DanielD
DanielD  4 United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
17 Aug 2010 - 3:42 PM

Great shot - interestig vision and very fine manipulation - Congrats

Daniel

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