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Needless to say, this is another shot from the local rugby game.

Again, the mixture of the sharp and blurred areas of the image make this shot work for me, plus the expression of the 2 tacklers's faces.

Would be interested to hear people's thoughts on composition as I am aware I have chopped off the feet so perhaps a slight zooming out to capture them in the scene maybe?

Brand:Canon
Camera:Canon EOS 500D
Lens:EF75-300mm f/4-5.6
Recording media:RAW (digital)
Date Taken:17 Nov 2012 - 4:13 PM
Focal Length:300mm
Lens Max Aperture:f/5.7
Aperture:f/5.6
Shutter Speed:1/320sec
Exposure Comp:0.0
ISO:1600
Exposure Mode:Shutter speed priority AE
Metering Mode:Multi-segment
Flash:Off, Did not fire
White Balance:Custom
Title:It takes 2 to bring me down
Username:zigga zigga
Uploaded:23 Nov 2012 - 7:16 AM
Tags:Rugby. sport, Sports / action, Tackling
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Richsr
Richsr e2 Member 790 forum postsRichsr vcard England207 Constructive Critique Points
23 Nov 2012 - 8:53 AM

Good timing for the action but feel its tight in the frame and your eyes are drawn to the white goal posts in the background. May have been worth a few paces to the right to take those out.
Regards Richard

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danh
danh  461 forum posts United Kingdom36 Constructive Critique Points
23 Nov 2012 - 12:39 PM

I can see you've used as large an aperture as you can but the slow shutter speed ruins the photo, for me. Try pushing your settings to get at least 1/500th. Does your ISO go above 1600? I think it goes to 3200 on the 500D in which case you'd have got around 1/640th and frozen the action more. 'Better a grainy shot than a blurred one' is the mantra I try to stick to with sport.

It'd be great if you posted a photo on here that you thought was as good as you were ever going to get, and then allowed us to critique it. If you post all the downsides of your photos for us, it leaves us very little to say. Tongue

With respect to the previous comment, there's nothing you can do about the goalposts. Sports photography can allow you to try and get an angle that removes a distracting background but, because you can't then run around to keep that perspective on the action, there will always be shots like this that occur exactly where you didn't want them to.

Either that or "it provides some context". Alternatively you could have moved and then asked them to do that bit over again. Wink

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colin beeley
colin beeley e2 Member 111070 forum postscolin beeley vcard England10 Constructive Critique Points
23 Nov 2012 - 4:19 PM

if you really want to get into sports try and get yourself a f/2.8 lens Wink

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banehawi
banehawi Critique Team 10781 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada2803 Constructive Critique Points
23 Nov 2012 - 4:31 PM

This is an excellent effort, but not quite there. First, as danh says the shutter speed is way too slow for action shots, - you need ideally 1/1000th which means high ISO. Colin also points out that the lens is not a fast lens, ans fast lenses, - constant wide apertures always work best for sports shooting, - but try setting 1/1000th nest time, use the highest ISO you need to get there, and try it.

So this means the image is not sharp. I was able to reasonably sharpen the centre in a mod. I would straighten the shot usung the goalpost as a vertical reference. And yes, feet are better. But theres a trick you can use, - crop tight into a square format to provide the impression you intentionally, not accidentally cropped off legs. I have this as mod2, and mod1 is the sharpened original, straightened, with exposure increased a little.
I love the flying pieces of mud and grass, and the "moment", - this could have been a winner.



Hope this helps, check out the mods,



regards


Willie

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colin beeley
colin beeley e2 Member 111070 forum postscolin beeley vcard England10 Constructive Critique Points
23 Nov 2012 - 4:45 PM

another thing you should use canons DPP you could get rid of that grain from using high ISO , & bring out the shadows & if you get burnt out highlights you can bring back some detail there as well.

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paulbroad
paulbroad  681 forum posts United Kingdom843 Constructive Critique Points
23 Nov 2012 - 5:28 PM

I quite like it. Look at many pro shots of similar scenes and they are no better. Well composed. It could, indeed, be sharper and sharp and grainy is better than smooth and blurred at any time. I wouldn't bother about the apparent grain, noise in digital terms. It adds to the subject and was a normal feature in film photography with fast film.

Paul

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colin beeley
colin beeley e2 Member 111070 forum postscolin beeley vcard England10 Constructive Critique Points
23 Nov 2012 - 6:42 PM

yes paul we are in the digital age now so we don't have to have the grain anymore ! i see you don't seem to take any sport shots so i don't think you are going to help with your advice in trying to help zigga get better at taking sport images .

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Sooty_1
Sooty_1 Critique Team 41181 forum posts United Kingdom196 Constructive Critique Points
24 Nov 2012 - 12:20 AM

And you don't have many constructive criticism points, whereas Paul has quite a lot, so making a comment like that is insulting and unnecessary. You don't have to qualify to have an opinion.

I think what Paul was driving at was that If the advice is to push the ISO higher than 1600, most camera/processing methods will struggle to eliminate noise without losing unacceptable amounts of critical detail and sharpness. Better to retain noise to keep a sharp image with sports.

As far as this image, well it shows the physicality of rugby, and the blur (whilst I'd prefer it reduced) shows that the moment isn't static, and the posts add context, so they don't bother me much.

I quite like Willie's second mod. The shape lends more to the composition and focuses the attention on the three main subjects. Depends how far away you are, you might try a bit of flash if close enough, preferably set to second curtain sync so the blur from longer exposure looks more natural.

Nick


Ps: I have no sports pictures in my portfolio either, but I have a lot that aren't.

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colin beeley
colin beeley e2 Member 111070 forum postscolin beeley vcard England10 Constructive Critique Points
24 Nov 2012 - 7:45 AM

and rugby players would not be to pleased if you used flash either , go out and give it a try !

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paulbroad
paulbroad  681 forum posts United Kingdom843 Constructive Critique Points
24 Nov 2012 - 2:14 PM

Oh dear! 50 odd years experience gives me some idea how camera systems work, and you don't have to shot sports as such to understand the technique. Actually I've shot a lot of sports, kids triatholon, most field sports for my old firm, water sports and so on.

Everyones opinion is valid and you don't need direct experience to have something to say, even it is subjective.

Paul

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Sooty_1
Sooty_1 Critique Team 41181 forum posts United Kingdom196 Constructive Critique Points
24 Nov 2012 - 2:14 PM

I have.

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colin beeley
colin beeley e2 Member 111070 forum postscolin beeley vcard England10 Constructive Critique Points
24 Nov 2012 - 11:36 PM

give me a few tips then .

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paulbroad
paulbroad  681 forum posts United Kingdom843 Constructive Critique Points
27 Nov 2012 - 9:20 AM

Sports people in most areas don't mind flash. Not that it is often much use - as you can see at many sporting events on TV. Lots of flashes from miles away. Flash is clearly forbidden at some events involving intense concentration, but I've never known open field sports people to be very bothered. ( Football, Rugby, runners etc.)

I've looked at your work, Colin, you clearly don't need tips. You possibly do need to remember that no one knows everything nor is anyone always right.

Paul

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