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These birds fly very fast, I was lucky to get this shot. I am unsure about the grass in the BG though, it seems too strong against the colour of the bird.

Camera:Canon EOS 7D
Lens:70-200 f/4L
Recording media:JPEG (digital)
Title:Kestral in flight
Username:trev4 trev4
Uploaded:9 Oct 2010 - 9:47 PM
Tags:Birds in flight, Kestral, Nature, Wild life, Wildlife / nature
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jeb2012
jeb2012  4 United Kingdom
9 Oct 2010 - 10:16 PM

GOOD CAPTURE

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Jestertheclown
9 Oct 2010 - 10:18 PM

Ignore that mod.
Something's gone horribly wrong!

Bren.

We have a problem!
I desaturated the green in this yet once uploaded, they've come out greener than the original..
When I downloaded my own mod. and opened it on here, it's exaxcty the same as the desaturated version that I uploaded.
Any ideas?

Last Modified By Jestertheclown at 9 Oct 2010 - 10:22 PM

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Jestertheclown
9 Oct 2010 - 10:53 PM

I'll try again!

I've no idea what happened there.

I've simply modded your original shot again, just desaturating the background and adding a touch of blur to the edges around the bird.
Obviously, grass is green and I dare say your capture of that is a pretty accurate representation. I suppose it's a question of artistic licence.
Does it look better?
Probably a matter of opinion!

Bren.

Edit; I think I should have increased the contrast a bit too.

Last Modified By Jestertheclown at 9 Oct 2010 - 10:54 PM

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trev4
trev4  4 United Kingdom
9 Oct 2010 - 11:58 PM

Thank you for your trouble Bren, its appreciated. The original green is quite accurate for when the shot was taken, however, as I said, I am not totally happy with it. Your desaturated version does increase the contrast between the grass and the bird and that was what I was trying to achieve. I tried desaturating the green/yellow but didnt achieve the results I wanted. Not sure about increasing the contrast further though, I feel its ok as it is. Thank you again Bren. Trev

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Eviscera
Eviscera  71093 forum posts United Kingdom149 Constructive Critique Points
10 Oct 2010 - 8:24 PM

Im not sure about a cracking capture.

It looks like an awful attempt to paste a bird on a background.

Theres immediate foreground sharpness at odds with the focal plane a single shot would have , a distinct white "cut out" line around the wings , cloning artifacts and no natural light balance.


Perhaps try feathering your selections for a more convincing blend.

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trev4
trev4  4 United Kingdom
10 Oct 2010 - 9:43 PM


Quote: Im not sure about a cracking capture.

It looks like an awful attempt to paste a bird on a background.

Theres immediate foreground sharpness at odds with the focal plane a single shot would have , a distinct white "cut out" line around the wings , cloning artifacts and no natural light balance.


Perhaps try feathering your selections for a more convincing blend.

Oh dear, how wrong you are, these is no pasting of the bird on the BG, this is absolutely genuine. I am quite prepared to give you a link to the original unedited picture together with the 4 shots that were taken in sequence and immediately prior to this picture. I am new to this site so am not sure if I am allowed to post links to other sites in these comments, let me know anyway. The cut out line you mention is the light shining through the edge feathers of the bird, not a cut out. I will also add that my knowledge of PS is sufficient to allow me to cut and past quite effectively. Thank you for your advice.

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trev4
trev4  4 United Kingdom
10 Oct 2010 - 9:48 PM


Quote: It is a cracking capture Trev and the detail in the eyes is a joy to behold. personally I wouldn't worry about the background, you had what you had and got the shot. The thing which takes my eyes away from you picture is the mass of text on the border. Perhaps if you feel that you must spoil it with writing, just a small title there would be better. It is an effort to read all that especially as it is so unnecessary.

Frank

Thank you Frank, I appreciate your comments, its appreciated. Just to repeat myself (following the last post) this isnt an image pasted onto a background as has been suggested by others. I take your point about the data around the border, its naturally easier to read in a larger version, but I understand what you saying and I will take it on board. Cheers, Trev

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Eviscera
Eviscera  71093 forum posts United Kingdom149 Constructive Critique Points
10 Oct 2010 - 10:05 PM

Your welcome to post a link to another site , but just post your own modification that was the original image here.

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trev4
trev4  4 United Kingdom
10 Oct 2010 - 10:27 PM


Quote: Your welcome to post a link to another site , but just post your own modification that was the original image here.

Ok thanks, this was actually discussed on another site, the original pics are here.

link

You will need to scroll down in this thread to reach the original unedited shots.
Hope this helps
Trev

Last Modified By trev4 at 10 Oct 2010 - 10:54 PM

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Eviscera
Eviscera  71093 forum posts United Kingdom149 Constructive Critique Points
10 Oct 2010 - 11:35 PM

Ok Im with mstphoto on his opinion.

The underwing in the original doest have the same white line as the original. Must be a play of light then.

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trev4
trev4  4 United Kingdom
10 Oct 2010 - 11:43 PM


Quote: Ok Im with mstphoto on his opinion.

The underwing in the original doest have the same white line as the original. Must be a play of light then.

OK, cheers. I'm pleased we cleared that up. Thanks for taking the time to comment, and I hope you approve of the shot. I am always happy to recieve constructive criticism, its how we learn.
Regards
Trev

PS. Excuse my ignorance, but who is mstphoto, I think I have missed something here. Trev

Last Modified By trev4 at 10 Oct 2010 - 11:54 PM

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Eviscera
Eviscera  71093 forum posts United Kingdom149 Constructive Critique Points
11 Oct 2010 - 12:12 AM

Your bookmarked Trev Wink

Nice to have some sassy back , refreshing stuff , from all sides.

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DRicherby
DRicherby  5269 forum posts United Kingdom725 Constructive Critique Points
12 Oct 2010 - 10:43 PM

Super shot. I don't think you need to worry about the background — I don't think it detracts at all. You could desaturate it ever so slightly but Jester's mod makes it look rather flat, to me, so I'd suggest not going that far.

It's a little unfortunate that the highlighting of the feathers on the underside of the wing does make the bird look superimposed on the background. Perhaps softening those areas just a little would reduce that optical illusion?

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trev4
trev4  4 United Kingdom
13 Oct 2010 - 8:24 PM


Quote: Super shot. I don't think you need to worry about the background — I don't think it detracts at all. You could desaturate it ever so slightly but Jester's mod makes it look rather flat, to me, so I'd suggest not going that far.

It's a little unfortunate that the highlighting of the feathers on the underside of the wing does make the bird look superimposed on the background. Perhaps softening those areas just a little would reduce that optical illusion?

Thank you very much, perhaps it was the illusion you mention that I was looking at but not identifying it, making me think it was the BG that was distracting. Cheers for the advice, I'll give that a try.
Trev

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