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A shot of part of the Langdale valley in the Lake District.

Camera:Nikon D90 Check out Nikon Nation!
Lens:Nikkor 18-70mm Check out Nikon Nation!
Recording media:JPEG (digital)
Title:Langdale Valley
Username:PaulLiley PaulLiley
Uploaded:6 Oct 2010 - 10:31 AM
Tags:'lake district', 'langdale pikes', 'langdale valley', Cumbria, Fells, Landscape / travel, Langdales, Mountains
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Imagephotographics

Lovely scene, well captured Paul

Chris

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witchcraft
6 Oct 2010 - 11:28 AMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Nice view but it has a rather over processed look to it. The bush left and tree right don't actually add too much either. Its a great view but it could be a lot more. Could you post the RAW to let us see what you were playing with please.

Best regards

Mark

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barbarahirst
barbarahirst e2 Member 6barbarahirst vcard United Kingdom10 Constructive Critique Points
6 Oct 2010 - 11:43 AM

I want to go walking there now looking at this image

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andylea
andylea e2 Member 537 forum postsandylea vcard United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
6 Oct 2010 - 12:06 PM

wonderful colour and light paul a cracker nice one Wink
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NobbytheNobster

Beautiful landscape and very well captured Paul Smile
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PaulLiley
PaulLiley  5 United Kingdom13 Constructive Critique Points
6 Oct 2010 - 4:41 PM


Quote: Nice view but it has a rather over processed look to it. The bush left and tree right don't actually add too much either. Its a great view but it could be a lot more. Could you post the RAW to let us see what you were playing with please.

Best regards

Mark

Thanks for your comments Mark. It wasn't shot in RAW only JPEG. As I can only post one per day it can't be today. Used photoshop to reduce the highlights on the rock which (a bit like limestone-its granite actually- tends to reflect a lot of light). I increased the sat on the sky and the greens. Apart from a small amount of sharpening that's it. I agree the fg tree should have been off centre more and the one half on the right frame shouldn't be there. I appreciate your constructive comments. I have taken more on the same trip which are further back in my PF if you want to look. one was a pano of the valley. Paul

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sweetpea62
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6 Oct 2010 - 6:58 PM

Great shot.well done.

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Jekaro
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6 Oct 2010 - 7:42 PM

A wonderful scene so very well captured, Paul.
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6 Oct 2010 - 8:37 PM

Lovely capture and scene
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samlw68
samlw68  4 United Kingdom
7 Oct 2010 - 3:22 PM

great landscape shot.

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PaulLiley
PaulLiley  5 United Kingdom13 Constructive Critique Points
8 Oct 2010 - 9:47 AM

Many thanks to Mark (Witchcraft) for his modification and comments. Appreciated. Paul

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Nikola
Nikola  3 India1 Constructive Critique Points
8 Oct 2010 - 1:40 PM

Wonderful.

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9 Oct 2010 - 10:22 AM

Well composed

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Porthos
Porthos  4 Northern Ireland1 Constructive Critique Points
10 Oct 2010 - 9:09 PM

Looks like a fantastic place to photograph.....Derek

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metro074
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10 Oct 2010 - 10:26 PM

A superb place to be taking this beautiful picture. The detail and depth is wonderful. There are so many tones here. Excellent capture Paul well done
Carol

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11 Oct 2010 - 8:10 AM

excellent landscape paul.ray

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photophantom
11 Oct 2010 - 11:10 AM

gorgeous landscape
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Ray42
Ray42  6 England3 Constructive Critique Points
12 Oct 2010 - 8:33 AM

A lovely scene

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12 Oct 2010 - 9:22 PM

Lovely capture.well done.

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DRicherby  5269 forum posts United Kingdom725 Constructive Critique Points
14 Oct 2010 - 12:33 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

I agree with witchcraft that this looks a little over-processed. It's not a massive thing but it doesn't look quite right. I think the problem is that it looks a bit too contrasty and vivid for what I perceive the lighting conditions to be.

I think that a fairly small white balance problem has led you down the wrong path while editing. There are two clues that the white balance is off: the mountains are rather blue and the darker clouds, which should be grey, are also quite blue. The extra blueness decreases contrast and makes the greens less vividly green but increasing contrast and saturation doesn't address the root cause. (Sharpening works by increasing contrast locally.)

Setting the colour temperature to somewhere around 5,500–5,700K warms the blue out of the clouds and decreases it in the mountains. You can then tweak the saturation of the greens if you need to but, with less blue in them, they're already purer (i.e., more saturated) so you probably won't need to go as far. Sharpening at a smaller radius will give you sharpness without pushing up the contrast.

A quick explanation of sharpening and contrast. Unsharp mask has the effect of increasing contrast locally, i.e., darkening regions of shadow and lightening regions of highlight that are close together. However, the centre of a large shadow is far from any highlights so it's not affected. Across the whole image, the darkness of shadows and brightness of highlights remains roughly the same; it's only small regions close to each other, or the boundaries of larger regions that are altered. When you sharpen with a small radius (one or two pixels), this is perceived mostly as an increase in sharpness because it picks out boundaries and makes them more distinct. But if you sharpen at a larger radius, the effect is to darken shadows of about that size and lighten highlights of about that size, which is seen as an increase in contrast, as it's affecting more than just boundaries. You can use this to your advantage: USM with small radius and fairly high strength sharpens; with larger radius and smaller strength, it increases contrast but in a way that you can control quite precisely.

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PaulLiley
PaulLiley  5 United Kingdom13 Constructive Critique Points
14 Oct 2010 - 1:23 PM


Quote: I agree with witchcraft that this looks a little over-processed. It's not a massive thing but it doesn't look quite right. I think the problem is that it looks a bit too contrasty and vivid for what I perceive the lighting conditions to be.

I think that a fairly small white balance problem has led you down the wrong path while editing. There are two clues that the white balance is off: the mountains are rather blue and the darker clouds, which should be grey, are also quite blue. The extra blueness decreases contrast and makes the greens less vividly green but increasing contrast and saturation doesn't address the root cause. (Sharpening works by increasing contrast locally.)

Setting the colour temperature to somewhere around 5,500–5,700K warms the blue out of the clouds and decreases it in the mountains. You can then tweak the saturation of the greens if you need to but, with less blue in them, they're already purer (i.e., more saturated) so you probably won't need to go as far. Sharpening at a smaller radius will give you sharpness without pushing up the contrast.

A quick explanation of sharpening and contrast. Unsharp mask has the effect of increasing contrast locally, i.e., darkening regions of shadow and lightening regions of highlight that are close together. However, the centre of a large shadow is far from any highlights so it's not affected. Across the whole image, the darkness of shadows and brightness of highlights remains roughly the same; it's only small regions close to each other, or the boundaries of larger regions that are altered. When you sharpen with a small radius (one or two pixels), this is perceived mostly as an increase in sharpness because it picks out boundaries and makes them more distinct. But if you sharpen at a larger radius, the effect is to darken shadows of about that size and lighten highlights of about that size, which is seen as an increase in contrast, as it's affecting more than just boundaries. You can use this to your advantage: USM with small radius and fairly high strength sharpens; with larger radius and smaller strength, it increases contrast but in a way that you can control quite precisely.

Thanks Richard that helps a great deal. I thought I understood contrast, sharpening and the unsharp mask but you've clarified one or two points. Paul

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