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A different version of yesterday's upload to see what everyone thinks.
Cheers,
Phil

Camera:Panasonic TZ7
Recording media:JPEG (digital)
Title:Lemonroyd Marina 2
Username:Philo Philo
Uploaded:26 Jul 2010 - 6:46 AM
Tags:Landscape / travel
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RajaSidambaram
26 Jul 2010 - 6:52 AM

Perfect reflections, well captured - Raja.

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Philo
Philo e2 Member 464 forum postsPhilo vcard England83 Constructive Critique Points
26 Jul 2010 - 6:54 AM

Many thanks Raja.
Phil

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Tracy_Young
26 Jul 2010 - 7:12 AM

fanatastic reflections

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Philo e2 Member 464 forum postsPhilo vcard England83 Constructive Critique Points
26 Jul 2010 - 12:47 PM

I thought I would offer a bit of self critique on this. The object of the shot was to capture the boats and their reflection (plus bonus of man playing guitar). The first upload did this with the bridge forming a subtle frame. On the second upload I feel that the image works in it's own right but the bridge itself has become more dominant and therefore is less effective in terms of portraying the main focal point of the boats.
Am I on the right track here?
Thanks,
Phil

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banehawi
banehawi Critique Team 10781 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada2795 Constructive Critique Points
26 Jul 2010 - 5:59 PM

Im going to be the odd man out here Phil. I dont like this shot, as its really an exercise in getting the entire bridge to work as a frame. The frame distracts from the boat scene imo, and the last shot is similar.
It ends up being a poster shot, - which is OK if thats the intent, but doesnt have any mood or atmosphere to it at all.

There have to be many better shooting opportunities here (though I dont know this place).

You own instincts are right and should be trusted!

Edit: didnt see anyone with a guitar until I read you note!


regards


Willie

Last Modified By banehawi at 26 Jul 2010 - 6:00 PM

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pamelajean Critique Team 8752 forum postspamelajean vcard United Kingdom1577 Constructive Critique Points
26 Jul 2010 - 6:46 PM

After your last shot, this is very interesting, including the railings, and I find myself liking it a lot, although I agree the larger the framing, the less the eye settles on the image in the middle. Congratulations on the straightness and removal of the blue signs. I noticed the guitar player, but he isn't all that obvious. I am wondering if a crop to the centre of the railings may be a compromise (top and bottom)? In fact, just mousing up and down on the image, I think it would, because it's the tops of those trees that are starting to make the framing a bit too fussy and distracting.
Pamela.

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Philo e2 Member 464 forum postsPhilo vcard England83 Constructive Critique Points
26 Jul 2010 - 8:55 PM

Thanks for your honesty Willie, I expected more comments like this as I wasn't sure if it worked, version 2 especially. I have tried to get better shots but it is quite restricted due to being totally fenced off hence why I tried this. Do you think this would work better if the bottom was cropped just below the reflected trees such that it is only framed on 3 sides?
I will just keep on trying.
Cheers,
Phil

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26 Jul 2010 - 9:04 PM

Hi Pamela and thanks again for your kind comments. It's interesting to hear you having the same dilemma over cropping as me. I agree the guitar man isn't too obvious, I certainly didn't see him when I took the shot, but I have had critique on a few occasions suggesting that the inclusion of a person would help. Anyway this was just a bit of fun to see what comments it generated and at least I have managed to split the critique team. Also learnt a bit about straightening and got my cloning right this time.
Cheers,
Phil

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Jestertheclown
26 Jul 2010 - 10:35 PM

I know that my mod completely defeats the original object of the excercise but I have to say that, if I'm honest, I don't like the original at all.
Apart from removing the reflection, I've increased the contrast and decreased the saturation quite dramatically.
It now needs some more sky at the top to balance it but I hope I've succeeded in bringing the focal point to the fore.
Hope you don't mind my saying this but I think it's better to be honest. Something that's sadly lacking in the main gallery unfortunately.

Jester.

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Philo
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26 Jul 2010 - 10:47 PM

Thanks Jester, I'm here to learn so honesty is what I need. It's turning into a bit of a marmite shot this!
I like the mod and it doesn't completely defeat the object as the boats are still framed by the bridge. Sky was too bright on the day so it would not have helped the shot on this occasion. I do think your mod looks a bit flatter but then I tend to have a preference for more punch.
Cheers,
Phil

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paulbroad  681 forum posts United Kingdom842 Constructive Critique Points
26 Jul 2010 - 10:54 PM

This ones got 'em going. I quite like it - just shows how subjective photography is. Technically OK, so the subject and composition are what matter. I find this well framed and interesting.

Paul

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Jestertheclown
26 Jul 2010 - 11:01 PM

Hi Phil,
I think you're right about my mod being flatter, now I've looked again.
It may be that I've desaturated it too much (I did remove quite a lot) or it could be that by removing the reflected trees, I've removed a large blob of shiny colour.
Perhaps a kinder crop would have been to remove the reflected bridge but to leave the reflected trees where they are.
In fact, looking at that reflection, I now realise what I think is wrong with it. I hadn't really put my finger on the reason I don't care for it but it's those reflected trees. They're not visible in the top half of the shot 'cos they're behind the bridge!

I think I'll have another go at this!

Jester.

Last Modified By Jestertheclown at 26 Jul 2010 - 11:02 PM

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Jestertheclown
26 Jul 2010 - 11:20 PM

I'm back!"
I've uploaded another mod, this time with those reflected trees that I don't like!
I've cropped both sides quite tightly to make it easier to clone the water and the reflections I've used to replace the reflection of the supports. In real life, I'd leave it slightly wider to let more of the brickwork form a frame but I'm in a hurry!
I've desaturated it again but this time more selectively. Although it still looks pretty green, I've actually removed quite a lot of green from it. I also desaturated the master a little, then increased the saturation in the reds and blues so they should be about as bright as they were to begin with.
It still looks a little flat compared to yours, so there's room for improvement yet but personally, I prefer this one as far as the composition is concerned.
I'm enjoying this!
Jester.

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banehawi
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27 Jul 2010 - 1:19 AM

Jesters second mod is better I think Phil.


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Philo e2 Member 464 forum postsPhilo vcard England83 Constructive Critique Points
27 Jul 2010 - 6:44 AM

Hi Jester, it's deifinitely better, so thanks for your persistence.
I have quite enjoyed all this and it has been really interesting watching it all unfold.
Good stuff everyone.
Phl

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27 Jul 2010 - 12:09 PM

Glad you like it Frank, to be honest I am quite surprised by the comments, I was half expecting it to get universally panned. Really glad I put it up though as it's generated some nice healthy debate.
Thanks,
Phil

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