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Starting digital B&W, done by dodging and burning. The scene is a view on Mull in Scotland.

Brand:PENTAX Corporation
Camera:Pentax K100D Check out PENTAXPORTAL!
Lens:smc PENTAX-DA 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 AL
Recording media:JPEG (digital)
Date Taken:3 Jun 2013 - 11:53 AM
Focal Length:18mm
Aperture:f/22.0
Shutter Speed:1/125sec
Exposure Comp:0.0
ISO:200
Exposure Mode:Shutter speed priority AE
Metering Mode:Multi-segment
Flash:Off, Did not fire
White Balance:Auto
Title:Loch View
Username:AndyHale AndyHale
Uploaded:29 Jun 2013 - 12:02 AM
Tags:Landscape / travel
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arhab
arhab  243 forum posts Indonesia2 Constructive Critique Points
29 Jun 2013 - 4:08 AM

Looking at the clouds looks like it will be rain. I like the composition and the horizontal clouds, i think this needs more contrast... the white clouds need more white so making separate between the gray color. Channel mixer is a good way to change color to black and white.

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iancrowson
iancrowson e2 Member 4204 forum postsiancrowson vcard United Kingdom128 Constructive Critique Points
29 Jun 2013 - 10:53 AMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Good one.
The composition works for me. Whilst the post is not fantastic fore ground interest it works.
Because of the distance and maybe poor visibility its difficult to say if focus was correct I get the slight impression the grass in the fore ground is sharper than the distance. The aperture of f22 should have taken care of depth of field so long as you focused well into the scene. (say 30 metres) Using f16 may have been a better choice if a better area of your lens was considered (diffraction)
A small point would be cloning out the wires from the post towards the middle.
As regards the BW conversion, it looks ok but taking the comment above in consideration I've done a mod (click on modifications above) where I increased mid tone contrast in photoshop levels , whitened the whites (whitish) and darkened the blacks. This takes away some of the greyness of the picture.
Mull is generally a grey place, although having worked in that area for years I know it can be glorious too. I personally don't like BW for landscapes but it works here to show a grim landscape.
My view colour for beauty, BW for grimness.
These are my views, hope you get more comments,
http://www.dofmaster.com/dofjs.html
regards
Ian

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mrswoolybill
mrswoolybill Critique Team 7328 forum postsmrswoolybill vcard United Kingdom885 Constructive Critique Points
29 Jun 2013 - 2:44 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

I like your foreground interest, it shows the bleak emptiness of the place, when this is the main landmark! And I like the wires too, they add character.
A few quibbles here. It needs more clarity and contrast, I don't want to spoil the atmosphere but to convey textures and a sense of distance, this is a bit flat. It's important to check for any adjustment needed to light after conversion to b&w, a perfectly balanced colour image does not necessarily convert automatically to perfect b&w, however carefully you set the colour channels.
Plus looking at the water and particularly at the clouds I feel that this needs rotating a few degrees anti-clockwise. Which would actually make the angle of the post more dramatic.
There are a couple of black blobs in the sky just above the dip in the horizon at the head of the valley, and a couple more higher up in the sky.
You obviously had a few raindrops fall on the lens, I don't mind that, it adds to the bleakness.
Will try a Mod.
Moira

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AndyHale
AndyHale e2 Member 3AndyHale vcard England
29 Jun 2013 - 8:12 PM

Thanks to you all for your critique and ideas for improvement, I will take them on board.

Andy

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paulbroad
paulbroad  681 forum posts United Kingdom825 Constructive Critique Points
1 Jul 2013 - 9:10 AMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

A really nice composition but a lot of very similar toned mid greys reduce image impact considerably. The post, for example, does not separate from the background well due to similar tones. I would revisit the conversion to mono and see if I could change the tonal to improve and possibly play with the dodge tool some more.

Paul

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ErictheViking
ErictheViking e2 Member 1124 forum postsErictheViking vcard Scotland102 Constructive Critique Points
1 Jul 2013 - 11:11 PM

Hi Andy

For me if you venture into B+W its all about the tones and shapes of the image and as Paul pointed out your conversion has many grey scale tones which tend to merge and don't define the image shapes as clearly as they could. I have created a MOD to demonstrate, the MOD is perhaps a bit drastic for your taste but it demonstrates how by using something as simple as the levels layer and adjusting the separate sliders appropriately you can create a totally different image to your stating image.

let me know what you think.

Erik

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AndyHale
AndyHale e2 Member 3AndyHale vcard England
1 Jul 2013 - 11:25 PM

Hi Erik,
Thanks for the upload, I take on board all critique and comments, I always back off a bit when i start getting contrasts as strong as that, as i feel as if theyre on the overdone side, because at the photography club i attend, they seem to get pulled down by judges during competitions. That said, i am a fan of contrasty images and you should really produce images that you are happy with, not just for judges and competitions.

Thanks again, Andy

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