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this is Chris outside the Henry Moore Institute in Leeds centre. Taken on Thursday when it was well below freezing out there!

He's on a high step here with a speedlite off to the left acting as the main light for the scene.

At about 2 o'clock, there's Steven Bowden with another speedlite, and down behind him was Richard Spurdens with a 3rd speedlite... all triggered from a 4th speedlite on my camera!

I like the way light reflects off his coat, reminds me of the portrait of Jean Michel Jarre on the cover of Equinoxe.

There will be another shot to choose from in Version 2 - please tell me which shot you prefer from the 2. I like them pretty much equally, that's why they are in a pair.


ta

ade

Camera:Canon EOS 5D
Lens:24=105
Recording media:RAW (digital)
Title:Lovely Ciggies
Username:ade_mcfade ade_mcfade
Uploaded:13 Dec 2008 - 6:28 PM
Tags:3 flashes, Chris, Cigarette, Cold, Flash / lighting, Fun fair, Leeds, Portraits / people, West yorkshire
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ade_mcfade
ade_mcfade e2 Member 1014817 forum postsade_mcfade vcard England216 Constructive Critique Points
13 Dec 2008 - 6:35 PM

the title comes from an episode of Father Ted where Ted gives up smokeing for lent

Father **** Burn comes around and is smoking, the smoke forms the word "Lovely Fags" when he exhales

I changed the word Fags to Ciggies as I didn't want people to think Fags referred to chris!

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scott_jessuk
13 Dec 2008 - 6:42 PM

Both images are great but it's the portrait for me. Ecellent light.

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Paul Morgan
Paul Morgan e2 Member 1315403 forum postsPaul Morgan vcard England6 Constructive Critique Points
13 Dec 2008 - 6:44 PM

Guess its version 1 for me, its got everthing atmosphere and mood. Versions two a little too sterile for me.

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Gwen_A
Gwen_A  7 United Kingdom
13 Dec 2008 - 6:44 PM

Much prefer the portrait. More unique shot in composition. Odd as I am a anti-smoking nazi usually.

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Richsr
Richsr e2 Member 790 forum postsRichsr vcard England209 Constructive Critique Points
13 Dec 2008 - 6:51 PM

Like the lighting and details in version one Ade - the set up has worked well.
Also like the tones and lighting in version 2 but for this upload have to go with Version 1.
Richard.

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Barbaraj
Barbaraj  7450 forum posts England
13 Dec 2008 - 6:53 PM

The portrait is newsworthy and good light on him, the landscape , is another landscape. Don't get me wrong I like landscapes but get to them rarely.

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Eviscera e2 Member 81104 forum postsEviscera vcard United Kingdom149 Constructive Critique Points
13 Dec 2008 - 7:03 PM

that puff on the fag , and the glow ensued , so echoes well the b.g reds.

Clever photography getting the smallest tone to mimic the whole and balance .

Dave

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DOGSBODY
DOGSBODY  61432 forum posts England30 Constructive Critique Points
13 Dec 2008 - 7:04 PM

V.1 is a very strong image whereas the landscape is not different enough to hold the attention for long. Andy

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ketch e2 Member 6770 forum postsketch vcard Turks and Caicos Islands50 Constructive Critique Points
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Yep I think I agree with Andy - V1 is different and is a very powerful image - its amazing how the glowing cigarette tip holds the eye - when you think of all the other lights and illuminations in the image. The lit diagonals bottom left are superb and serve as a signpost 'this is where to look' - so yep my vote goes here.

V2 is accomplished (would we expect any less) but there it ends - a little like a marshmallow - promises much, tastes good but I am left hungry. Now if there was a hand grasping at the end of the ice break - then I think we would be in business!!

Cheers

Robert

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Yewtree
Yewtree  6 England
13 Dec 2008 - 7:18 PM

V1 for me because I love the lighting

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Gary_Williams
13 Dec 2008 - 7:42 PM

V1 - Just love the lighting.

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bfgstew
bfgstew  8668 forum posts England105 Constructive Critique Points
13 Dec 2008 - 8:34 PM

V1 Ade, a superb capture that doesn't 'feel' staged, the lighting is spot on holding your gaze on his face, and then, when taken in you can wander around the rest of the image, taking in the subtle details like where is he looking or what is he looking at? Very nicely done. Would look great in mono, but think you have already thought of that Wink
V2 is nice but holds nothing against V1.
Stewart

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ade_mcfade
ade_mcfade e2 Member 1014817 forum postsade_mcfade vcard England216 Constructive Critique Points
13 Dec 2008 - 8:40 PM

yeah - there's a mono version too Smile

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bfgstew  8668 forum posts England105 Constructive Critique Points
13 Dec 2008 - 8:44 PM

Look forward to it.

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rontear
rontear e2 Member 11rontear vcard England4 Constructive Critique Points
13 Dec 2008 - 9:08 PM

" Night prowler " or " Ice cold in Alex " . Both have your stamp Adrian, V2. Ron.

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NEWMANP e2 Member 61587 forum postsNEWMANP vcard United Kingdom574 Constructive Critique Points
13 Dec 2008 - 9:27 PM

v1
Ade, if i have a chink in my photographic armour its outdoor flash and balancing it with ambient light. doesnt mean i cant apreciate it though as i actually like this quite a lot, if "like" is the right word. shots like this are generally not understood , and often people ask why you took pictures like it! --but that is the whole point, its a portrait yes, moody, yes, the cig adds (bad habit though) theatrical and yet linked to reality with the background, its like a still from a movie and i guess the model is blown away by it. very well done. i cant take the landscape to heart after this.

V2 its a bit like bitter sweet because i would have been quite animated if i was at this location, all the ingredients are here for a stunner but they didnt pull together, the sky is superb and the details in the ice/snow, basic composition is faultless except for me the foreground does not link happily with the mid distance splitting the whole thing into individual unlinked areas of interest. the zig zag just behing the foreground (which is interesting but a bit messy in its natural arrangement) may have been a good strong link if you could have moved up to it without sinking. Perhaps a big red hat on the dominent slab up front or something, either way its V1 by a mile and a half. (and i would have been happy to take V2 but its in better company tonight)
Phil

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13 Dec 2008 - 9:53 PM

excellent shots and my fav. would be version 2

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ade_mcfade e2 Member 1014817 forum postsade_mcfade vcard England216 Constructive Critique Points
13 Dec 2008 - 9:59 PM

the icey rock a few days back was the one you'd like then Phil Smile

getting 3 flashes balanced how you want them isn't straight forward, with digital you can chimp of course, but from the 580 I was controlling all 3 separately - chaing the flash output remotely, trying the shot, telling people to move further away etc.

it's alot more involved than landscape

but then again, you're not reliant on the weather and light so much - so both have their difficulties

ta

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hellsbells8868
14 Dec 2008 - 6:24 PM

Can't really choose on this pair, but if i had to .....V2, love the zig zag pieces of cracked ice and my eyes then follow right the way up, along the pieces of raised snow/ice in the middle till it reaches the land and then hits that sky.....

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discreetphoton Site Moderator 93453 forum postsdiscreetphoton vcard United Kingdom20 Constructive Critique Points
14 Dec 2008 - 11:42 PM

For me, it's version one. I think it's a much more accomplished shot. The way the lighting folds around the jacket is really pleasing, and I think it's a better example of a portrait than version 2 is as a successful landscape. I like the use of selective focus on the ice floes, but I think that for it to work to the fullest effect, it has to be a little more selective than it is here. Still a good shot, but not to the extent of the portrait. (Also, are those water droplets I see on the lens?) Wink

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ade_mcfade e2 Member 1014817 forum postsade_mcfade vcard England216 Constructive Critique Points
15 Dec 2008 - 11:59 AM


Quote: (Also, are those water droplets I see on the lens

?)

no Wink

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DebbieBMP
DebbieBMP  533 forum posts United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
16 Dec 2008 - 7:45 AM

Well this certainly had the effect you wanted Smile V1 is superb and in a completely different class to V2

However I can't help but think that if V2 had been uploaded as a single image that it would have caught my eye in the gallery as it is a great landscape - one that maybe you considered as epz friendly, maybe I am just a sucker for epz friendly uploads so that must mean that I am just one of the masses and happy to be so Smile

I only really noticed V1 because I clicked on your link to it in the forum. I like this shot because it is a superb portrait and as I am a smoker it is good to see a controversial subject uploaded. I have been reading the topic you created in the forum and it has been interesting to see the varied responses. Debbie

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DebbieBMP  533 forum posts United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
17 Dec 2008 - 1:38 PM

Ok so I am not as happy to be just one of the masses after all - thanks for your help and guidance on my uploads today - Debs

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