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This one is for Willie ~ a substitute for the Bentley,
The condition wasn't quite as extreme Willie, but there is, as you can see, a window in the background, throwing a fair amount of light onto the car.
So, a low down shot (as suggested), with fill-flash, hopefully achieving an acceptable balance.

Brand:NIKON CORPORATION
Camera:Nikon D300 Check out Nikon Nation!
Lens:18-200mm f/3.5-6.3 AF-D G VR
Recording media:JPEG (digital)
Date Taken:2 Aug 2011 - 4:06 PM
Focal Length:27mm
Lens Max Aperture:f/4.0
Aperture:f/4.0
Shutter Speed:1/30sec
Exposure Comp:0.0
ISO:200
Exposure Mode:Aperture-priority AE
Metering Mode:Multi-segment
Flash:Fill Flash
Title:Matchless Morgan
Username:strokebloke strokebloke
Uploaded:5 Aug 2011 - 12:11 AM
Tags:Contrasting light, Flash / lighting, Gorgeous car, Photo journalism, Transport
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banehawi
banehawi Critique Team 10865 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada2860 Constructive Critique Points
5 Aug 2011 - 2:10 AM

Very good balance here jack between the ambient light and fill flash, - well done.

Sorry for getting you down so low!



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strokebloke
5 Aug 2011 - 7:55 AM


Quote: ..... getting you down so low!

Good morning Willie.
That's not a problem. Slowly down ~ slowly back up again Smile

Thank you for your appraisal. There's certainly more visible detail available, isn't there? So a good learning exercise Smile
Looking at it again this morning, it looks a bit 'flat' to me. Too much chrome. Almost too much fill-flash. (????)
If it was in RAW I'd lift it a bit with the Clarity slider, but .........
I suspect that if I try the same thing with curves/contrast/shadows etc, I'll lose detail ?

Last Modified By strokebloke at 5 Aug 2011 - 7:57 AM

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jimhellier
5 Aug 2011 - 9:10 AM

Nice Shot

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strokebloke
5 Aug 2011 - 9:29 AM

I've uploaded a Mod. ~ lifting the Contrast & Vibrance each to 40%.
In my opinion, it gives it more punch, without losing detail too much in the shadows.
Opinions please. Smile

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Grampy
Grampy  4507 forum posts England71 Constructive Critique Points
5 Aug 2011 - 9:34 AM

Jack , I agree the mod is better, maybe get rid of the red reflection and the red patch behind.
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strokebloke
5 Aug 2011 - 9:41 AM

Good morning Phill. Great to hear from you.
I'll try removing the red reflections. [I've never tried removing reflections in chromework before]
The red patch behind should be easy to do Smile

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strokebloke
5 Aug 2011 - 9:54 AM

Phill, The red patch has gone [Mod 2] & most of the chrome reflections - some are on pieces with so much detail that it's almost impossible to determine a 'target' and maintain the detail of the component. So I've left those ones alone GrinGrin

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strokebloke
5 Aug 2011 - 9:59 AM

Frank, you're absolutely right.
The biggest annoyance was the proximity of each vehicle to its neighbour - from a photographic point of view.
From an interest/enthusiast point view, it would have been difficult to get more than the 800 vehicles in the 5 halls.
Well worth a visit. Smile

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NEWMANP e2 Member 61587 forum postsNEWMANP vcard United Kingdom574 Constructive Critique Points
5 Aug 2011 - 12:47 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

hi, super subject,
problem in a hall is the framing is always going to be compromised leading to overtight tight cropping and then where do you stop and how do you choose?, you did right to get down a dirty for the viewpoint but the competing elements of bright windows and other cars popping in around frame prevent you from getting anything a great deal better.

maybe an even tighter crop onto the engine / chrome would have been stronger and eliminated the plain number plate. or you could put your own number plate in there in photoshop. Grin

with the exposure issue that you mention above, you could try selctive dodging and burning, otherwise use layers and curves erasing through, so only the parts you want changing are effected. a little more contrast could be a good thing if you can retain detail in the darker areas.

regards
Phil

Last Modified By NEWMANP at 5 Aug 2011 - 12:48 PM

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strokebloke
5 Aug 2011 - 3:09 PM

Phil, thank you. Very much appreciated Smile

At one time - when I first started taking photos, I thought that the process of producing images was all cut and dried (black & white, as it were) but I've come to the conclusion, 3 years down the line that, as with much else in life, mostly it is a question of compromise, and the skill used to determine and apply the most appropriate compromise, for any given situation.

There was a pro tog at the museum, doing shots for a magazine
And he had an area set up exactly as he wanted it, for the shots he wanted to achieve.
Lights, BG, reflectors, laptop screen to view the results, the works.
Bren and I had to make do. But, we're just plebs !! GrinGrinGrinGrin

I'll have a play with your selective exposure suggestions on some of my less presentable [rubbish] Wink shots

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paulbroad
paulbroad  781 forum posts United Kingdom851 Constructive Critique Points
5 Aug 2011 - 3:22 PM

The great problem wih this type of image is that they are never displayed ideally for photography. This is generally good and interesting. However, your flash balance was too good on your original, giving a flat result. The mod is very much better with some clarity and contrast returned.

The window, top right, is a sod, but to get this viewpoint, you had little choice. Go for an angle to the grill and depth of field would rear it's head.

Paul

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strokebloke
5 Aug 2011 - 4:50 PM

Thank you all.
Whilst I think we're all agreed on the compositional difficulties, to carry out the exercise, from my point of view, has been of immense value.
As has been all of your input/advice and suggestions. Very much appreciated. Smile
As well as being able to tick the exercise off as 'at-least-something-of-a-success', I have much from your input to consider, learn and experiment with. So a win-win result, all round.

I'm buying the beer this evening Wink

Tomorrow, I'm going to upload my shot of Bren's Triton.
I sought his permission to upload, as the last thing I want is any suggestion of comparison/competition etc.
My shot is merely from the other direction, with no emphasis on the Ace Cafe.

Your input, for my benefit [and, I'm sure, for Brens] will again be much appreciated.

J

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Jestertheclown

Hi Jack,

The light in there really wasn't on our side was it?
I've uploaded a mod. of your shot in which I've cropped it as tightly as I realistically could and applied some contrast using the threshold curves method.
I also got rid of the red bits and the window frame in the background.

Hope it's OK. (Or at least makes you smile!)

Bren.

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strokebloke
5 Aug 2011 - 6:06 PM

Hahaha Now that really is taking things a step too far. Putting a personalised number plate on my shot GrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrin

The plate is superb. (Especially the clown standing on the bolt head. TongueWink

You're right.
It is definitely more contrasty, but it is beginning to make some of the detail on the rear inner surfaces of the wings less distinct.

You wait until I put my Triton up tomorrow. SmileSmileSmileSmile

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