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I was recently commissioned by a gentleman whose wife works in the wine trade (supplier & exporter, rather than importer &/or merchant) and is shortly to retire.
He wanted three miniature goblets (approx 10cm high) turned out of rosewood, & one tasting goblet (approx 17.5cm high to be turned out of olive wood)
These are the mocks, turned out of scots pine.
I'm sorry about the shadows. (If I'm going to continue to produce this sort of product shot, I'm going to have to invest in some studio equipment)
I tried everything ~ no flash ~ flash diffused ~ Flash diffused & bounced vertically.
These shots were the best of the lot. Sad

Brand:NIKON CORPORATION
Camera:Nikon D300 Check out Nikon Nation!
Lens:EF-S18-200mm f/3.5-5.6 IS AF-D
Recording media:JPEG (digital)
Date Taken:9 Dec 2011 - 4:56 PM
Focal Length:95mm
Lens Max Aperture:f/5.3
Aperture:f/5.3
Shutter Speed:1/60sec
Exposure Comp:+2/3
ISO:200
Exposure Mode:Aperture-priority AE
Metering Mode:Multi-segment
Flash:On, Return detected
Title:Mock Goblets
Username:strokebloke strokebloke
Uploaded:9 Dec 2011 - 8:07 PM
Tags:General, Goblets, Product photography
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Lynamick
Lynamick  12 United Kingdom31 Constructive Critique Points
10 Dec 2011 - 12:16 AMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Hi,
Your problem with shadows, you could try making a light tent make 5 sides of a cube with tracing paper place it over the object light it from outside. Cut a slot in one side just large enough for your lens. You should then have no shadows. The other way is to remove the shadows on your computer. I have put up a mod. I had to put up a 2nd mod as I missed a bit on the first.
Hope this helps.
Michael

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strokebloke
10 Dec 2011 - 8:23 AM

They are splendid Michael, thank you.

I did think about removing the shadows on the PC in PS but thought that would be considered to be 'cheating' Grin
I believe the sort of light-cube that you describe, including the small lighting units, can be bought, relatively cheaply on the internet, so I may well invest.
Once more, many thanks

Jack

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paulbroad  681 forum posts United Kingdom825 Constructive Critique Points
10 Dec 2011 - 8:42 AMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

I understand the need to remove shadows for product shots, but I don't really mind them as presented here. V1 is a first class record image. V2 as good technically but compositionally out of balance - little and large. V3, not so sure. I thin you need all the cups in, much greater depth of field - f22 - and some light inside the cups via reflector or off camera flash.

Paul

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strokebloke
10 Dec 2011 - 9:02 AM

You (& Michael) have raised the bar again, Paul.

Can you remember one of my first uploads (it was a Blower Bentley at Coventry Motor Museum)?
And I demonstrated my utter ineptitude with regards to taking shots inside/with windows/flash fill etc and you and Willie set me on the course of learning to produce a something-like-decent-image.
Well I'm in a similar situation here, again. SmileSmile
So I will take your
Quote: I thin you need all the cups in, much greater depth of field - f22 - and some light inside the cups via reflector or off camera flash.

(plus Michael's suggestion of a light box) and experiment/practice until I can produce something worthwhile.

So thank you (both). Much appreciated.

Jack

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salopian
salopian e2 Member 2salopian vcard United Kingdom17 Constructive Critique Points
10 Dec 2011 - 11:15 AM

Perhaps I haven't got an artistic eye, but the faint, diffuse shadows behind the goblets really make the picture for me. They are a good shape, not intrusive and much more attractive than a bland, plain background.
Nice woodwork, by the way!

Geoff

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Jestertheclown
10 Dec 2011 - 11:21 AM


Quote: (plus Michael's suggestion of a light box) and experiment/practice until I can produce something worthwhile.

I haven't posted a comment on this as I didn't have anything constructive to say but I too struggle to use flash in this kind of situation, in fact, I hardly ever do it and the idea of building a light box is one that I've been toying with for a little while.
I shall take note of Michael's suggestion and perhaps have a go.

Bren.

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strokebloke
10 Dec 2011 - 11:32 AM

The deed is done - small studio kit [80cm light box & 2 lamps on stands] on the way GrinGrinGrin
I'll let you know how I get on with it Bren. (they don't cost an arm & a leg)

Quote: Perhaps I haven't got an artistic eye..........

Neither have I, Geoff. Wink
I perceive it as more of a 'technically correct' issue, than an artistic one.
Like you, I'm quite happy with shadow, so long as it's not dominating.
I guess for me it's more of an issue of not having the appropriate kit to produce good quality photos.

We shall see.
The studio kit means that if I still can't do it, I only have myself and my ineptitude to blame SadSad Tongue GrinGrinWink

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kaybee  93699 forum posts Scotland24 Constructive Critique Points
10 Dec 2011 - 11:39 AM

I bought a light cube from fleabay for 10

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strokebloke
10 Dec 2011 - 11:45 AM


Quote: .....from fleabay for 10

Good deal Roy.
Are you pleased with it? Does it do what you expected of it?

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banehawi Critique Team 9710 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada2671 Constructive Critique Points
10 Dec 2011 - 2:51 PM

Small produce light bixes are quite cheap Jace. Light from the putside with some ordinary table lamps if you have nothing else.


Heres one in Jessops, - but like Roy you can picke them up used as people often use them little.


http://www.jessops.com/Directory/catalogue.ashx/$s=light%20tent



Willie

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strokebloke
10 Dec 2011 - 3:28 PM


Quote: Heres one in Jessops,

Almost exactly what I've bought Willie, but slightly larger (80cm) with 4 - BG colours, & with 2 - 85W lights, on stands, for not a great deal more. I decided to buy the 80cm to ensure that I'd be able to get most of my turnings into it.
The bonus, of course, is that the cost of it will get written off against the tax man, GrinGrin ~ because I pay IT on the turnings that
I sell.

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pamelajean
pamelajean Critique Team 8687 forum postspamelajean vcard United Kingdom1531 Constructive Critique Points
10 Dec 2011 - 5:59 PM

Like Bren, I didn't have anything constructive to say before, Jack, just praise for your beautiful woodwork. I am so impressed. They will look fantastic in rosewood, rich and vibrant with beautiful grain.
After all the chat about a light box, I reget to say that I like the shadows, though I am sure you will be pleased to have the pictures without them, otherwise you wouldn't have mentioned it.
Pamela.

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strokebloke
10 Dec 2011 - 6:27 PM


Quote: you will be pleased to have the pictures without them

As a matter of fact Pamela, I too quite like the shadows: particularly on V1 [the 3 miniatures together]
I merely apologised for them because I assumed that shadows, in product photography, would be utterly taboo.

Because whatever I do is bespoke#, I have an agreement with each customer that I will not photograph, or in any other manner, display their finished work without their expressed consent.
This client will advise me, following the presentation of the completed pieces to his wife, whether I may be allowed to photograph them and exhibit the photos.
I am very pleased with the rosewood miniatures and the olive wood taster.
The miniatures are in a velvet lined presentation case in maple, and the taster stands upon a small walnut coaster.

Saturday the 31st December is the presentation day, so I'll know in the New Year Smile



# with a written guarantee that I will never reproduce their piece of work for another client. And I will never disclose the location of any of my pieces.

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