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Another shot from a McFade Taining evening in Leeds. This time we were joined by Ade's bandmates from the Chicago Blues Brothers. Chris, on the left, wanted to include his beloved ST in a shot so this is what I came up with. I am not normally a fan of tilting the camera but I thought it made the composition more dynamic. Sky was a bland, featureless grey so not much I could do about that.
Would be interested to hear your thoughts.

Phil

Brand:NIKON CORPORATION
Camera:Nikon D7100 Check out Nikon Nation!
Lens:10.0-20.0 mm f/4.0-5.6
Recording media:RAW (digital)
Date Taken:25 Jun 2013 - 9:06 PM
Focal Length:10mm
Lens Max Aperture:f/4.0
Aperture:f/8.0
Shutter Speed:1/50sec
Exposure Comp:0.0
ISO:500
Exposure Mode:Manual
Metering Mode:Multi-segment
Flash:Off, Did not fire
White Balance:Auto
Title:Orange & Blues
Username:Philo Philo
Uploaded:28 Jun 2013 - 6:22 PM
Tags:Chicago blues brothers, Focus st, Leeds, McFade Training, Town hall, Transport
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Ade_Osman
Ade_Osman e2 Member 114508 forum postsAde_Osman vcard England36 Constructive Critique Points
28 Jun 2013 - 10:05 PM

Ade certainly seems to know his stuff, I personally like the composition, but if I were to criticise it all all I say it was a shame about the large expanse of white sky to the top left......But what do I know, best person to ask what he thinks would be Mr Mcfade himself I guess Smile

Ade

Last Modified By Ade_Osman at 28 Jun 2013 - 10:06 PM

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banehawi
banehawi Critique Team 10829 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada2833 Constructive Critique Points
28 Jun 2013 - 10:31 PM

Works for me Phil, nice.

W

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Philo
Philo e2 Member 471 forum postsPhilo vcard England83 Constructive Critique Points
29 Jun 2013 - 7:36 AM

Thanks guys, yes the sky was a pain, Ade.
Phil

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paulbroad
paulbroad  781 forum posts United Kingdom850 Constructive Critique Points
29 Jun 2013 - 9:44 AM

It is a strong image in many ways, but I, too, am not keen on camera tilts when the background is so well defined and I would have stayed straight..

The colour seems wrong. I know quite a few Focus ST vehicles and the orange is bright and vibrant. My son's garage business specialises in fast Ford's when they can and there are a lot of these cars going through and at events. This one is a very dull orange indeed. However, I've had a word with my lad and he says there is a dull orange but it's not popular. This may be one.

I guess low lighting and what looks like a touch of under exposure. Unusual from you. A burst of flash with diffuser would lift the car from the background if suitably placed to get balanced lighting. Better, several linked guns.

Flash might help the figures too as they are not very obvious dressed, as they are, in black.

Paul

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Philo
Philo e2 Member 471 forum postsPhilo vcard England83 Constructive Critique Points
29 Jun 2013 - 10:41 AM

Paul, the car is effectively under exposed to control the bright reflections (should have used a polariser). I have uploaded another shot to show different exposure.
Lighting the car with strobes would have been great but not possible. The night's shoot was all about the band and the car here was just a prop. There were about 6 photographers and we only had about 5 minutes with the car.
Thanks for the feedback,

Phil

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Philo
Philo e2 Member 471 forum postsPhilo vcard England83 Constructive Critique Points
29 Jun 2013 - 10:53 AM

Paul, I will revisit the shot later and see what I can come up with regarding the dullness.
Phil

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Fogey
Fogey  168 forum posts United Kingdom13 Constructive Critique Points
29 Jun 2013 - 11:00 AM

Vivesa will take care of the dullness. As for the bland sky, simply put another sky in its place in post processing.

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mrswoolybill
mrswoolybill Critique Team 7412 forum postsmrswoolybill vcard United Kingdom1001 Constructive Critique Points
29 Jun 2013 - 3:03 PM

First thought, I'm so glad you had a flat grey sky - blue sky would kill this stone dead for me.
Angled shots like this walk a fine line between dynamic and gimmicky, this works for me partly because the colour is understated and partly because of the faces. 'Dour' I think is the word.
Moira

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Philo
Philo e2 Member 471 forum postsPhilo vcard England83 Constructive Critique Points
29 Jun 2013 - 5:52 PM

Fogey, I could replace the sky but I am going with Moira's suggestion that the flat sky works better. Never tried Vivesa.
Thanks, Moira, dour suits their mood perfectly though we did get a few of them smiling.
Phil

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paulbroad
paulbroad  781 forum posts United Kingdom850 Constructive Critique Points
30 Jun 2013 - 9:31 AM

I, too, prefer the flat sky. I take your point on bodywork reflections. Your v2 shows that. Cars of this type tend to be heavily polished and glass like in finish, and I may have been requiring to much. Possibly better slightly dull as the average viewer is not going to know what colour the ST actually should be.

When we shoot cars at my lads place I use a corner of his yard that keeps reflections to a minimum and try for a degree of under exposure, filling just the car with diffused flash. A purpose set piece. Even then, I spend time cloning flash hot spots.

Paul

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Philo
Philo e2 Member 471 forum postsPhilo vcard England83 Constructive Critique Points
30 Jun 2013 - 12:25 PM

Thanks for that, Paul.
I haven't really tried lighting a car with flashes but it's something I want to have a go at. Not an easy thing to do I guess.
Phil

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ade_mcfade
ade_mcfade e2 Member 1014794 forum postsade_mcfade vcard England216 Constructive Critique Points
1 Jul 2013 - 4:24 PM

I think the main problem about this particular set up was that the guys were swamped by the car and background - struggling to see Gareth and chris is really small (for once Wink )

If we moved them in front of the doors we'd have seen more of them

It was a BB shoot rather than a car shoot... though had to humour chris with a few shots of his car Wink

I'd probably agree about the orange and get that saturation banged up a bit - use the orange saturation slider - works a treat

Sky... well a bit of a vignette darkens the corner if you wanted to add something

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Philo
Philo e2 Member 471 forum postsPhilo vcard England83 Constructive Critique Points
1 Jul 2013 - 6:12 PM

Thanks, Ade, will give those tips a try. Chris was well pleased with it which is the important thing.
Phil

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