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I put this photo on, one is to answer Lynne's question on my previous photo..:"Here it is."Smile; Second is to say 'Thanks' to Lynne(LynneJoyce) for telling me how to create the cloud border;The third is that I want to 'dig' further, in order to learn more..so I specially found a photo with sky and clouds.
The crucial tool makes this cloud border work is Filter> Render> clouds, apart from drop shadow..I had tried drop shadow before, but Render>clouds.
The problem for me is that it doesn't work on large file. This is a small file image, the border looks natural as the sky inside the original image. But when I used it on large file, the pattern became more regular, lost the sense of clouds. The only thing I could think out was to blur it, but not as good as I expected..maybe I'm being picky again...Grin I'll upload the two cropped borders in different file on MOD section for you to have a look. Thanks.
Location: outside Austria parliament.

Brand:Canon
Camera:Canon EOS 50D
Lens:EF-S18-200mm f/3.5-5.6 IS
Recording media:JPEG (digital)
Focal Length:40mm
Lens Max Aperture:f/4.6
Aperture:f/9.5
Shutter Speed:1/3000sec
Exposure Comp:0.0
ISO:200
Exposure Mode:Manual
Metering Mode:Partial
Flash:Off, Did not fire
Title:Pallas-athena-brunnen
Username:xwang xwang
Uploaded:15 Jun 2012 - 4:58 PM
Tags:Architecture, Pallas-athena-brunnen, Parliament, Sky
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sweetpea62
sweetpea62 e2 Member 3sweetpea62 vcard United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
15 Jun 2012 - 6:01 PM

Lovely work,it makes a stunning image,well done..Lin

Growmore
Growmore e2 Member 5Growmore vcard England3 Constructive Critique Points
15 Jun 2012 - 6:14 PM

You are to hard on yourself this is a stunning image with that sky and cloud border, and it has superb detail so very sharp.

Gary

WhiteRose1
WhiteRose1 e2 Member 41028 forum postsWhiteRose1 vcard England133 Constructive Critique Points
15 Jun 2012 - 6:26 PM

I like the effect but I can't help you with your queries though, Jasmine, it's all I can do to get any border on mine!!

Dave

Philip_H
Philip_H  2 United Kingdom
15 Jun 2012 - 6:36 PM

Lovely image and presentation.

P.

SueEley
SueEley e2 Member 8271 forum postsSueEley vcard Wales96 Constructive Critique Points
15 Jun 2012 - 7:44 PM

Well, your frame works very well on this shot. I am not sure why you are so set on using render clouds for your background, though? If you can take a picture of the right kind of sky, then you've got a natural backdrop with no recurring pattern? Also, you could mix up render clouds and natural clouds if you couldn't get the coverage you want. Either clone bits over, or perhaps lighten blending mode and masking or erasing might work?

I have a file of skies and a file of textures on my computer, and add to them from time to time. And I do sometimes improve on nature by cloning in extra wispy cloud Smile

canonfan
canonfan  4 United Kingdom
15 Jun 2012 - 9:50 PM

Fantastic image and great processing Jasmine
Jim

paulbroad
paulbroad  681 forum posts United Kingdom842 Constructive Critique Points
15 Jun 2012 - 10:29 PM

I rarely like frames, but this one compliments the content rather well. All pretty good, but just find the greys of the statures a little - grey. Possibly a tiny boost to the contrast would brighten the grey a bit? Not sure of the answer to your query - a new one on me as I've never tried what you are doing - but keep experimenting - that's what it's all about as you know.

Paul

banehawi
banehawi Critique Team 10781 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada2795 Constructive Critique Points
16 Jun 2012 - 12:49 AM

Jasmine, to answer your question directly, when you render clouds, you need to zoom OUT, then select all, and then stretch the clouds much larger than the original frame size, then hit OK. You can add some blur then for a more convincing effect.
This will then work on the large file, as you are making the "fake" clouds much larger which works with the larger image. What you have in the example is the clouds are too dens and small in the large file, - so just do the above and youre done!



regards



Willie

Last Modified By banehawi at 16 Jun 2012 - 12:50 AM
xwang
xwang  531 forum posts7 Constructive Critique Points
16 Jun 2012 - 11:26 AM

Thank you very much,Paul. I don't do frame much either. I'm a bit more old fashioned.. trying to get the basic things right. And also I have too many snaps to sort out, I can't work on one image for too long... Grey.Yeah, agree. They should be whiter . Is it the middle tone?

Thank you very much, Willie. I understood that there was a Mathematics here, but I could not work out how to do it on PS. The question is how to Zoom OUT? You see, I made a white border, and selected the dark and light colours in the sky as background/forground, and then clicked render cloud, came out the dense clouds as the large file on MOD that I uploaded. Obviously, if I coould Zoom OUT, the density would be reduced. I just had a look on web , after I read you advice, somebody said that use ALT key or Ctrl+F, but I can't make it work. I 'm not familiar enough with software.

Thank you Sue. I understand what you mean. Of course, if you are clever enough, you can get away with anything, rather than digging in the same holeGrin..

Thank you all.

Last Modified By xwang at 16 Jun 2012 - 11:27 AM
banehawi
banehawi Critique Team 10781 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada2795 Constructive Critique Points
16 Jun 2012 - 7:43 PM

Zoom out, - use the magnifying glass too, and hold down ALT.



W

Last Modified By banehawi at 16 Jun 2012 - 7:43 PM
xwang
xwang  531 forum posts7 Constructive Critique Points
17 Jun 2012 - 12:02 AM

Thank you, Willie. I must be stuck somewhere...I can't hold down the Alt key while I click Filter>render>cloud at the same time. It wouldn't work. If I zoomed out with the magnifying glass, the whole picture was zoomed out, in that case, the proportion is the same. So the question is: How can I only zoom out the border, without zooming the picture inside,Please?

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