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Taken today, 15th June, just before the rain set in. Not too windy.
A neighbour was clearing and cutting back some trees and shrubbery and out of the tangle emerged this.
Neither I, nor they, had any idea it was there. I certainly appears wild, as they state that they're unable to grow roses, as the ground is not right.
It has had vibr and sat (10) added, cropped, not even sharpened. We'll see what the upload does to it.

Flower experts: Critique and constructive comments, as always, very welcome & much appreciated.
V2 & V3 included

Brand:Sony
Camera:Sony A200
Lens:18-55 AF-D Kit Lens
Recording media:RAW (digital)
Date Taken:15 Jun 2011 - 11:36 AM
Focal Length:35mm
Lens Max Aperture:f/5.6
Aperture:f/5.6
Shutter Speed:1/80sec
Exposure Comp:0.0
ISO:100
Exposure Mode:Aperture-priority AE
Metering Mode:Multi-segment
Flash:Off, Did not fire
Title:Pen's Rose 1
Username:strokebloke strokebloke
Uploaded:15 Jun 2011 - 2:27 PM
Tags:Flowers & plants, Photo journalism, Wildlife / nature
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Grampy
Grampy  4507 forum posts England71 Constructive Critique Points
15 Jun 2011 - 2:48 PM

Super shot Jack,
not a lot to critic here, keep them coming my friend.
Phill

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graceland
graceland  92378 forum posts United Kingdom2 Constructive Critique Points
15 Jun 2011 - 2:49 PM

Grin nice one

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iancrowson
iancrowson e2 Member 4211 forum postsiancrowson vcard United Kingdom129 Constructive Critique Points
15 Jun 2011 - 4:13 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

All three are good images, you have captured the red really well. You can see the texture on the petals. The rain drops add a lot of appeal. V2 is for me is the best composition as it is at a slight angle and shows a little depth whilst still displaying all the fine shaded details inside. V3 has a great profile (maybe the best of all 3) but is a little to the left in the frame. If is generally best to have more space in front of the flower.
Aperture and focus are spot on. Wide enough to throw the background out focus enough to not distract yet the back edge of the flower is in sharp focus. I feel that the rose is a flower where full sharpness is better. (from back to front) In a good rose photos the beauty tends to be in the details and texture of the petals. Some floaty flowers (say a cosmos) are very appealing mostly out of focus (just the centre in focus)
Lighting looks very good, it looks like diffused sunlight which is most often the best.
To get the background even more out of focus choose a flower well away from the background ( greenish veg not brown earth)
To show the pure beauty of a rose many people use a black background. This red rose would be easy to select in PS and place on black. Try and include the stem as they often don't look right just floating.
Good one, yes V2 for me
regards
Ian

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RonnieAG
RonnieAG e2 Member 4139 forum postsRonnieAG vcard Scotland112 Constructive Critique Points
15 Jun 2011 - 4:22 PM

A beauty of a Rose captured at it's very best, with excellent detail and preserved petal texture. Of the three V 3 is my favourite, the side on view with the bud behind, but as Ian says it needs a bits more room to the left for it to "look into".
The presence of the rain drops work so well with a red rose, adding that extra sparkle.
Ronnie.

Last Modified By RonnieAG at 15 Jun 2011 - 4:24 PM

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Jestertheclown
15 Jun 2011 - 4:25 PM

V2 for me too Jack.
Nothing else to say. I think Ian's just about summed it up.
Bren.

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strokebloke
15 Jun 2011 - 4:41 PM

I can see what you mean about V3. It does need some room to 'look into', doesn't it? I'd only really considered it for people and animals; plants obviously benefit from it too. Another one for the ref book Wink
The stoke wouldn't prevent me gardening Frank. The only reason I don't is because I hate it. And I have a wife who loves it.
I thought the buds added to it [part of it, so to speak] Maybe not. I'll bear it in mind for next time - I can always look at variations with & without buds. Thanks.

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strokebloke
15 Jun 2011 - 6:00 PM


Quote: I meant photographic gardening Jack

I'm intrigued now to know what you believe my problem to be, Frank. TongueTongue I assumed you meant my 'stroke disability' Smile

Quote: If you find that difficult because your problem, .......

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sanroy99
sanroy99  6 United Kingdom
15 Jun 2011 - 6:38 PM

A truely beautiful flower and a truely beautiful photos, terrific just love the vibrant colour.
Regards Roy

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pamelajean Critique Team 8773 forum postspamelajean vcard United Kingdom1605 Constructive Critique Points
15 Jun 2011 - 7:37 PM

These are lovely, Jack, nice focus on the flower, good blurred background, and sparkly droplets too. I think the uploading has been kind to them. Composition would be my only critique. In V1, the rose is central and the little bud on the left is touching the frame edge. V2 looks good, and seems to be most peoples' favourite, and is nicely balanced by the buds on either side. The matter of extra space in front of the flower in V3 has been covered, but that is actually my favourite, and I also like the inclusion of the bud behind it. We do tnd to humanize flowers, treating them as if they had a face, which of course they do, and if a flower is looking to the left, it needs the space in that area "to look into". Some flowers lean in a particular direction, and the same thing applies, more space in the area into which it is leaning. These, like all other rules, are not hard and fast, but they do tend to work in most cases.
I hope your neighbour didn't cut these down as well, and I suspect that the roses are delighted to see some light.
Pamela.

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strokebloke
15 Jun 2011 - 7:50 PM

Thank you Pamela. I was delighted with the lack of consequence with the up-load.


Quote: I hope your neighbour didn't cut these down as well, and I suspect that the roses are delighted to see some light.

This flower was, & still is alone, standing on a stem at least five feet tall. I didn't have to bend to take the shots. I suppose it has been supported by all of the surrounding foliage and clutter. [I can say "clutter", because my neighbour isn't an ePz memberWink]
I hope it doesn't snap off now.
I don't know how long rose heads like this last.

Another one for the 'experience folder'.

Thank you all. very much appreciated.

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banehawi Critique Team 10875 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada2875 Constructive Critique Points
15 Jun 2011 - 10:36 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

All really good jack.

I like the depth of colour; the depth of field is good; rain drops always add a nice element.

The light was good, - no strong sunlight which has helped render the red colour very well. The light has also failed in a sense to get the drops to sparkle, and this is a situation where you could experiment with a very low power fill shot. Dont know if you have a flash other than the one built in, however if you have, it may have a pull out reflective card, so if you point the flash straight up into the sky, the vertical reflective card would give just enough light for a sparkle in the drops.

Ive loaded a mod with a little more sparkle, - I brightened the drops only, and painted in a fw with a small white brush. Ive also sharpened overall, - you can still sharpene a bit more before you upload, after you re size. The main reason though for the mod is to show that with these flower specimen shots, a central, square format composition can work very well.

Hope this adds to the experience folder!


regards


Willie

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strokebloke
15 Jun 2011 - 11:04 PM

Excellent Willie. Thank you very much.


Quote: ........... adds to the experience folder!

Indeed !! Smile

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adrian_w e2 Member 73355 forum postsadrian_w vcard Scotland4 Constructive Critique Points
16 Jun 2011 - 12:30 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

just to add my pennyworth, I like the side view of V3, and the lack of space on the left is not really a problem for me. What jarrs slightly is the lighter blue block top left ( out of focus sky?).
Because it's lighter than the rest of the image I find it tends to draw my eye away from the flower. makking it a similar depth to the rest of the b/g would be better.

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strokebloke
16 Jun 2011 - 12:39 PM

Good morning Adrian.


Quote: ....lighter blue block top left ( out of focus sky?)

I hadn't noticed it at all. It's actually the facade of a house, in the distance, on the other side of the road - probably some 50'-0" away.
I'm sure that it would be easy to clone it into the general b/g. A small detail, but no less important.

Thank you.

Jack

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paulbroad
paulbroad  781 forum posts United Kingdom855 Constructive Critique Points
16 Jun 2011 - 1:07 PM

Nice images with v3 being a little less of a succes due to composition. No problems really - maybe lift the brightness a touch.

Paul

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AR_Photography
27 Aug 2011 - 10:44 AM

V1 Gorgeous image

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Mavis
Mavis e2 Member 12143 forum postsMavis vcard England2 Constructive Critique Points
1 Aug 2012 - 9:26 AM

Rather beautiful, looks like rich,redvelvet. The raindrops give a bit of a sparkle and version 2 is my favourite but all very good . Does it have a perfume of roses?

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1881  2 India
7 Aug 2012 - 4:01 AM

EXCELLENT
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