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The Kayan are a sub-group of the Red Karen (Karenni) people, a Tibeto-Burman ethnic minority of Burma. Women of the various Kayan tribes identify themselves by their different form of dress, the Kayan Lahwi tribe being well known for wearing these neck rings, brass coils that are placed around the neck, appearing to lengthen it. Girls first start to wear rings when they are around five years old and over the years the coil is replaced by a longer one with more turns. The weight of the brass pushes the collar bone down and compresses the rib cage. The neck itself is not lengthened; the appearance of a stretched neck is created by the deformation of the clavicle.

A wonderful response to my Q of monks - thank you. P/Ms sent.

Keep warm and safe today.

Dave

Brand:Canon
Camera:Canon EOS 7D
Lens:EF-S15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM
Recording media:RAW (digital)
Date Taken:3 Dec 2012 - 12:22 PM
Focal Length:67mm
Lens Max Aperture:f/5.4
Aperture:f/5.6
Shutter Speed:1/100sec
Exposure Comp:0.0
ISO:400
Exposure Mode:Not Defined
Metering Mode:Multi-segment
Flash:Off, Did not fire
White Balance:Auto
Title:Red Karen
Username:WhiteRose1 WhiteRose1
Uploaded:19 Jan 2013 - 6:59 AM
Tags:Burman, Karen, Kayan, Landscape / travel, Neck rings, Portrait
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gajewski
gajewski e2 Member 10gajewski vcard United States9 Constructive Critique Points
19 Jan 2013 - 7:05 AM

Thanks for including the commentary -- very interesting.
A great shot, Dave.
-=\Walter

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almiles
almiles  538 forum posts United Kingdom101 Constructive Critique Points
19 Jan 2013 - 7:07 AM

Wow you persuaded her to let you get close and she has put a very dignified and stately pose for you. Strong eye contact and the way her adornments frame her face to strengthen the effect. Great diffused lighting at the edge of the building means all those lovely colours are shown off. As exotic travel portraits go, it doesn't really get any better than this!

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Russell_Charles

You are producing a great series and this is a great shot. Sharp, crisp with lovely colours you did very well to catch the detail in your subject despite not using fill flash. keep them coming. Regards

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Jellyfire
Jellyfire  241 forum posts United Kingdom4 Constructive Critique Points
19 Jan 2013 - 7:09 AM

Fascinating, presumably they suffer ill health eventually because of it. Makes for a powerful image

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abeeror2
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19 Jan 2013 - 7:15 AM

Excellent, I didn't know it was still practiced.This is a amazing portrait of colour and culture and you have made it better with the most interesting information, thank you!

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RonnieAG
RonnieAG e2 Member 5139 forum postsRonnieAG vcard Scotland112 Constructive Critique Points
19 Jan 2013 - 7:22 AM

I was just 10 years old back in the early 1950's when I first came aware of these women: a group had been brought over from Burma by Cyril Mills and they toured with Bertram Mills Circus, then the very best circus in the UK.
They were referred to as giraffe necked women..
Then much more recently there was a TV programme in which one was able to see X-rays of these womens' necks and thoraces, and the deformity you describe was quite remarkable.
This is a very fine shot of one these women from this tribe, Dave: did not imagine it would be a subject you'd come across so readily on the 'tourist trail'.
Ronnie.

Last Modified By RonnieAG at 19 Jan 2013 - 7:23 AM

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Hermanus
Hermanus  2 South Africa
19 Jan 2013 - 7:34 AM

This amazing Dave ! One tribe in South Africa, the Ndebele , also have woman wear neck rings complimented with bigger beaded rings Smile I always thought it was unique to Africa Smile A great photo !!

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CarolG
CarolG e2 Member 8141 forum postsCarolG vcard Greece18 Constructive Critique Points
19 Jan 2013 - 7:41 AM

An excellent capture, Dave, though I find it rather disturbing, surely they must suffer problems later in life. Carol

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marktc
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19 Jan 2013 - 7:53 AM


Quote: Wow you persuaded her to let you get close and she has put a very dignified and stately pose for you. Strong eye contact and the way her adornments frame her face to strengthen the effect. Great diffused lighting at the edge of the building means all those lovely colours are shown off. As exotic travel portraits go, it doesn't really get any better than this!

All the above said by Al, plus a great narrative. Superb Dave...

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EAS
EAS  5 Scotland13 Constructive Critique Points
19 Jan 2013 - 7:54 AM

Can't help but feel thankful I don't belong to this tribe! It is, however, a perfectly captured portrait and I found the info fascinating.

Ann

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leontari
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19 Jan 2013 - 8:04 AM


Quote: An excellent capture, Dave, though I find it rather disturbing, surely they must suffer problems later in life. Carol

I always wondered Dave, how do they live all their lives with these neck rings
Effrossini

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RonnieAG
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19 Jan 2013 - 8:06 AM

I have a correction to make to my comment above, Dave.
On checking up in Cyril Mills story of his father's circus, "Bertram Mills Circus", I discovered that in 1952 a group of these Burmese women had been taken to the USA by an American promoter who had promised that they would be returned to their own country after a certain time. This did not happen and they were posted as missing. Cyril Mills heard about their plight and managed to persuade the authorities that if he could bring them over to Olympia for the Christmas Season of the circus there, he would ensure that they were sent home thereafter. Apparently their side show at Olympia drew enormous crowds. I stated that they toured with the circus, but that was not so........after the Olympia season closed, they were in fact returned to Burma, and they did not tour with the travelling circus.

ronnie.

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fentiger
fentiger  13915 forum posts England22 Constructive Critique Points
19 Jan 2013 - 8:11 AM

Amazing what different cultures will do to themselves. This is an excellent character study Dave.

Albert

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zapar40  466 forum posts Wales5 Constructive Critique Points
19 Jan 2013 - 8:13 AM

an amazing portrait, Dave.
ant.

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jasonrwl
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19 Jan 2013 - 8:29 AM

Very well taken Dave - you certainly had a most interesting trip
Jason

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Lillian
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19 Jan 2013 - 8:37 AM

Very interesting reading yours and Ronnie's words here Dave
a portrait to really be proud of she has so much dignity and
a very serene look from being relaxed with you capturing this
well done you!
Lillian

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pluckyfilly
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19 Jan 2013 - 8:50 AM

what a long neck! superb insight to another world, colourful and a wonderful expression captured

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Deep_Bhatia
19 Jan 2013 - 8:58 AM

Excellent image and very informative write up.

Deep

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19 Jan 2013 - 9:01 AM

An amazing photograph, Dave and a wonderful narrative describing part of another culture which I am aware of but know little about - but do now!
Thank you!

Richard

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CaroleS
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19 Jan 2013 - 9:07 AM

Amazing culture - she looks so serene. Superb eye contact - a superb portrait.
Carole

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19 Jan 2013 - 9:08 AM

Excellent portrait Dave, love the detail,
Fred.

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whatsthisbuttondo
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19 Jan 2013 - 9:40 AM

their goverment should ban it great portrait then

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LynneJoyce
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19 Jan 2013 - 9:45 AM

Wonderfully clear and crisp portrait. I don't see this practice as any less bizarre than Western women having breast implants and liposuction.

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19 Jan 2013 - 9:49 AM

Such knowing eyes....
Beautiful portrait

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19 Jan 2013 - 10:11 AM

Very interesting informative write up, and gorgeous colour portrait, Dave.

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JohnChambersPhotography

Good write up Dave, enjoying seeing these Burma captures . Good pose and the colour is spot on.

John

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swanseamale47
19 Jan 2013 - 10:29 AM

Great travel shot.
Wayne

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Mototaur
Mototaur  226 forum posts England
19 Jan 2013 - 10:31 AM

Interesting photo and write up. Smile Smile Smile

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Rende
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19 Jan 2013 - 10:57 AM

Beautiful and very interesting portrait Dave. Thanks for the info; I didn't know about the clavicle; at least they don't damage their necks.
Rende

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Mavis
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19 Jan 2013 - 11:01 AM


Quote: I was just 10 years old back in the early 1950's when I first came aware of these women: a group had been brought over from Burma by Cyril Mills and they toured with Bertram Mills Circus, then the very best circus in the UK.
They were referred to as giraffe necked women..
Then much more recently there was a TV programme in which one was able to see X-rays of these womens' necks and thoraces, and the deformity you describe was quite remarkable.
This is a very fine shot of one these women from this tribe, Dave: did not imagine it would be a subject you'd come across so readily on the 'tourist trail'.
Ronnie.

A great Portrait. So proud looking . She looks a very intellegent person . Wonder how they wash their necks ?

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lonely_oryx
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19 Jan 2013 - 11:17 AM

Brilliant portrait. I came across the Karen in Thailand but they did not have the neck decorations

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HELANA
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19 Jan 2013 - 11:56 AM

I think I have a pain in neck all ready just looking at her Dave. It must be so uncomfortable. I am not wonder she is making eye contact with all those rings round her neck neither she can look up or down. I hope they they take them off when they go to bedWinkWinkWink.
Anyway, chracking portrait, she is very beautiful so she can have my award.
ElenaSmileSmile

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andylea
andylea  637 forum posts United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
19 Jan 2013 - 11:58 AM

fantastic detail dave brilliant colour and light a stunning portrait nice one Wink
andy

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achieverswales
19 Jan 2013 - 12:16 PM

It certainly gives her the ring of confidence Dave, these people would find the culture on piercing, on very intimate parts of the body, that goes on in our Country distasteful I expect. The clarity and sparkle in the eye is excellent, great capture.


Regards

Trev.

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SlowSong e2 Member 64595 forum postsSlowSong vcard England29 Constructive Critique Points
19 Jan 2013 - 12:26 PM

A rather drastic way of hiding a double chin. How uncomfortable. It's amazing that people these days still follow these old traditions. I remember seeing such pictures in my dad's old travel books. Super shot.
x

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19 Jan 2013 - 12:47 PM

Stunning image Dave - most interesting narrative - thought I'd found a cure for less than perfect neckline
but on further reading maybe not!
Your subject has a beautiful face - well done in getting the image.
KateGrinGrinGrin

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digital_boi
19 Jan 2013 - 12:54 PM

fine capture perfect lighting

GrahamGrinGrinGrin

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19 Jan 2013 - 12:57 PM

How interesting! I wonder if they take this off at night? What a wonderful expression she has given you.......Sandy

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19 Jan 2013 - 12:59 PM

And here is me thinking Botox was painful and unnecessary.

A wonderful insight into the culture and lives of these remarkable people.

Regards Nathan GrinGrinGrin

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Tibetan  2 England
19 Jan 2013 - 1:11 PM

Remarkable photo Dave, very well executed, good colours and detail, nice pose and expression, well done you, regards Leon.GrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrin

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19 Jan 2013 - 1:27 PM

Another good image, I have enjoyed your shots from Burma very much.

Myra

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19 Jan 2013 - 1:39 PM

Fantastic detailed image , Dave - well done........Grin

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19 Jan 2013 - 1:44 PM

I found your text so informative and interesting-- Do ALL the little girls wear the rings? I am wondering how they manage with life chores, etc.

A very well photographed woman in this portrait!

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19 Jan 2013 - 2:04 PM

Great shot and interesting narrative Dave.

Ray

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19 Jan 2013 - 2:33 PM

Stunning image Dave, tribes what we don't know. Enlightening image Dave.
Ron.

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carper123
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19 Jan 2013 - 3:10 PM

Another wonderful image, Dave, superb character portrait, luv the detail and colours. Great description, you learn something everyday.
Well done.
Darryl. SmileSmile

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TrevBatWCC
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19 Jan 2013 - 3:22 PM

It must be most uncomfortable for them, but what a super portrait of this lady, Dave - excellent work Smile
Trev Smile

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19 Jan 2013 - 3:37 PM

An excellent capture and interesting write up

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Philip_H
Philip_H  2 United Kingdom
19 Jan 2013 - 4:08 PM

By eck! - what a neck!

PGrin

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Joline
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19 Jan 2013 - 4:14 PM

The things we do in the name of beauty!
I'm glad that isn't the anglo tradition, it must be very cumbersome.
A fine portrait, and very interesting text.

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Herge88
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19 Jan 2013 - 4:42 PM

A great portrait full of colour and character.

Best Matt

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19 Jan 2013 - 5:07 PM

Lovely portrait with loads of colour. Grin
Ryan

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19 Jan 2013 - 5:25 PM

Did they build Pyramids ? what a painful tradition.

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maggietear
19 Jan 2013 - 5:29 PM

A very proud, yet serene looking lady! She has a wonderful feel about her, would loved to have met her!
Shame we didn't meet you on the bridge, could have had a coffee together!
Maggie

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19 Jan 2013 - 6:19 PM

A stunning portrait , Dave. The lower viewpoint has emphasised the neck and air of dignity that others have referred to. A very thought provoking narrative.
Cliff

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Caziwinkles
19 Jan 2013 - 7:05 PM

Very interesting description - but what an amazing photograph - she looks beautiful - peaceful and serene. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

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19 Jan 2013 - 7:32 PM

Your explanation to this excellent image is much appreciated.
Joan.

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19 Jan 2013 - 7:35 PM

I am so impressed with the sheer volume of high quality images you managed to take during this trip Dave. Interesting description as well.
Derek

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19 Jan 2013 - 8:06 PM

great portrait Dave with stunning clarity on the eyes,thanks for the write up really interesting
jeremy

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19 Jan 2013 - 9:03 PM

That's an impressive portrait, Dave, enhanced by the yellow and green of her headdress and, of course, those shiny neck rings.

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19 Jan 2013 - 9:38 PM

A superb capture of this lady Dave SmileSmile
I have very mixed feelings about the practise - this link gives further information
Helen

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pdcche  4 United Kingdom
19 Jan 2013 - 10:06 PM

Great portrait Dave of this neck adornment, seen this many years ago on a programme about tribes, Peter..

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19 Jan 2013 - 11:51 PM

excellent portrait, well lit and excellent eye contact.

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20 Jan 2013 - 12:22 AM

A very nice portrait pose with lovely colours.
Well down Dave.

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20 Jan 2013 - 1:34 AM

A remarkable shot and write-up. Honestly the mind boggles - how can they live with all that around their necks.

Lavina

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20 Jan 2013 - 8:09 AM

Brilliant picture Dave, so much colour and character.

John Smile

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20 Jan 2013 - 8:28 AM

Fantastic shot Dave, the colour and detail is superb Smile
Jan

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Humblebee  2 England
20 Jan 2013 - 10:00 AM

An exceptional image Dave superbly captured, and fabulous information regarding this tradition ... Carol Grin

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Hop-A-Long
20 Jan 2013 - 10:30 AM

Excellent portrait.

Andy

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bobsblues
bobsblues  4 United Kingdom2 Constructive Critique Points
20 Jan 2013 - 10:54 AM

Superb capture Dave all comment's said above can't add any more mate.
Rob

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UrbaneMagick
UrbaneMagick e2 Member 2135 forum postsUrbaneMagick vcard United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
20 Jan 2013 - 11:45 AM

Another fantastic image Dave.....

I've read about the Karen "hill tribes" before.... love your informative narraqtive.

GarethSmile

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ChiliMan
ChiliMan e2 Member 8135 forum postsChiliMan vcard Singapore17 Constructive Critique Points
20 Jan 2013 - 12:10 PM

First off, the light and clarity here are divine, Dave. Second, the eye contact and portraiture are simply exceptional.

Thanks so much for the info in the write-up. I'd always assumed the neck got lengthened!

Andrew

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Meheecho
Meheecho  2275 forum posts United Kingdom
20 Jan 2013 - 12:32 PM

Full of light and colours this is a superbly detailed portrait
Steve

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canonfan
canonfan e2 Member 4canonfan vcard United Kingdom
20 Jan 2013 - 6:10 PM

A fantastic and colourful portrait Dave
Jim

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ValeryAst
ValeryAst  2 Russian Federation
20 Jan 2013 - 6:51 PM

Frankly, I'm a little sorry for these women...
Good portrait, Dave!
Regards Valery

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hasslebladuk e2 Member 5hasslebladuk vcard United Kingdom6 Constructive Critique Points
20 Jan 2013 - 9:33 PM

The detail in this image is amazing lovely texture and tone fab
mike

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JimV
JimV  8 Canada3 Constructive Critique Points
21 Jan 2013 - 7:18 AM

I'm with Andrew in thinking their neck was actually stretched by the wearing of these rings, thanks for the write-up putting me right.
The lady has a wonderful serenity and dignity about her, and you have captured her so well Dave!
Rgds., Jim

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chrissie3
chrissie3  6 England
21 Jan 2013 - 1:11 PM

She looks quite regal. A lovely, colourful image.

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sweetpea62 e2 Member 4sweetpea62 vcard United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
21 Jan 2013 - 6:28 PM

Wonderful portrait amazing details Dave..Lin

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Glostopcat e2 Member 8235 forum postsGlostopcat vcard England2 Constructive Critique Points
22 Jan 2013 - 11:18 PM

A terrific portrait Dave, those rings look rather painful to wear!

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Chinga
Chinga e2 Member 4Chinga vcard United Kingdom
24 Jan 2013 - 12:17 PM

Fascinating culture.... Amazing portrait! IB

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AnnChown e2 Member 4183 forum postsAnnChown vcard United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
9 Feb 2013 - 7:31 AM

I missed this one - it's a very fine portrait!
Ann

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silverfoxey
20 Aug 2013 - 12:08 PM

Well Dave, so glad I came back to look at your PF. I could have missed this great shot you have captured in your worldly travels. Thank you for the interesting info on this tribe of women. I too thought it was more a thing with neck rings in some African Tribes. Great shot, and exposure. James Grin

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