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A year ago today.
Both of these are important to me, but I'm not totally satisfied with either – I was dithering right up to the last minute as to which one I would lead with. V2 is the picture that I really wanted, but it needs much better detail in the medals (and a lot of work has gone into extracting the detail that there is!) for the shallow depth of field to work. Darned difficult, the sun was bouncing off those medals.
I shall be trying to capture similar contrasts at this morning's ceremony.
Thanks for looking,
Moira

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Camera:Nikon D90 Check out Nikon Nation!
Lens:16.0-85.0 mm f/3.5-5.6
Recording media:RAW (digital)
Date Taken:13 Nov 2011 - 12:15 PM
Focal Length:42mm
Lens Max Aperture:f/4.8
Aperture:f/5.0
Shutter Speed:1/160sec
Exposure Comp:-1/3
ISO:800
Exposure Mode:Shutter speed priority AE
Metering Mode:Multi-segment
Flash:No Flash
White Balance:As Shot
Title:Remembrance in a small northern town
Username:mrswoolybill mrswoolybill
Uploaded:11 Nov 2012 - 8:04 AM
Tags:Community photography, Photo journalism, Remembrance sunday, Street photography
Votes:57
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CarolG
CarolG e2 Member 8141 forum postsCarolG vcard Greece18 Constructive Critique Points
11 Nov 2012 - 8:11 AM

They wear their medals with pride, Moira, and quite rightly so. Two fine images. Carol

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morpheus1955
11 Nov 2012 - 8:28 AM

Two excellent images

Hugh

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jaktis
jaktis e2 Member 1082 forum postsjaktis vcard Sweden
11 Nov 2012 - 9:01 AM

I love v2

Peter

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lifesnapper
lifesnapper e2 Member 8lifesnapper vcard England1 Constructive Critique Points
11 Nov 2012 - 9:16 AM

V2 is brilliant Moira, it says SO much. And great to see two of the Medals that my Granddad had, on this fine old Soldier.

John Smile

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Fefe
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11 Nov 2012 - 9:23 AM

V2 for me.
Diane

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rontear
rontear e2 Member 11rontear vcard England6 Constructive Critique Points
11 Nov 2012 - 9:34 AM

V2 Moira, emotive excellence.
Ron.

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franken
franken e2 Member 123197 forum postsfranken vcard Wales4 Constructive Critique Points
11 Nov 2012 - 9:56 AM

Wonderful tributes Moira.

Ken

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Scottishlandscapes
Scottishlandscapes e2 Member 1068 forum postsScottishlandscapes vcard Scotland35 Constructive Critique Points
11 Nov 2012 - 10:33 AM

V1 for the expressions Moira, V2 is lacking a little something, could be it's let down by the children's expressions which are all better in V1.
The ex-servicemen are aware of what's coming the children look uncertain but interested, the girl with her fingers in her mouth will no doubt get laldy from her Mother.

Dougie

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Rende
Rende e2 Member 737 forum postsRende vcard Netherlands4 Constructive Critique Points
11 Nov 2012 - 11:21 AM

I like them both, but I think V2 is the more special one. The contrast between the "real"medals and the "baby medals" is particularly appealing.
Rende

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saltireblue
saltireblue Site Moderator 44080 forum postssaltireblue vcard Norway26 Constructive Critique Points
11 Nov 2012 - 11:42 AM

V2 - In a way, the softness and partial lack of detail in the medals represents the gradual fading of the memories for the ever decreasing numbers who were there and can remember. The expression of the Scouts shows their lack of understanding, but that will come with age...
V1 represents the past and future, with the current generation observing from the back, their task to look after both the other generations.

Malc

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helenlinda
helenlinda e2 Member 7338 forum postshelenlinda vcard United Kingdom21 Constructive Critique Points
11 Nov 2012 - 1:48 PM

v2 for me Moira - another example of your amazing skill to find pictures in two parts SmileSmile
Helen

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Joline
Joline e2 Member 8Joline vcard United States52 Constructive Critique Points
11 Nov 2012 - 2:07 PM

v2 tells the story of those who know, and those I hope never know.

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gingerdelight
11 Nov 2012 - 2:58 PM

Two very fine images here Moira - for me personally the composition and anonimity of V2 appeals more.
Carol

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SUE118
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11 Nov 2012 - 3:07 PM

Old and new faces a lovely image.

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mrswoolybill
mrswoolybill Critique Team 8481 forum postsmrswoolybill vcard United Kingdom1070 Constructive Critique Points
11 Nov 2012 - 3:59 PM

My sincere thanks to everyone who has voted and commented here today. I knew I should have led with V2...
I've been busy processing pictures from this morning - I'll upload a little set tomorrow. I'm a bit disappointed as the arrangements were a bit different to last year's, the veterans stood some distance from the children. But I got a picture to carry forward for the town's calendar, which was part of the job.
Bill is busy burning discs to distribute tomorrow.
Moira

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frz67
frz67  5 Italy32 Constructive Critique Points
11 Nov 2012 - 4:34 PM

hope they wont have to remember sad days other than this.

francesco

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TrevBatWCC
TrevBatWCC e2 Member 6TrevBatWCC vcard England8 Constructive Critique Points
11 Nov 2012 - 4:54 PM

Two super candids, Moira - I rather like V2, so that has to be my fave today Smile
Trev Smile

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Andree_Borrel
11 Nov 2012 - 5:57 PM

Those three could tell us some stories, terrific shot for this time of reflection

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sable
sable  6 England7 Constructive Critique Points
11 Nov 2012 - 6:17 PM

To very nice candids V2 is my choice xx

tyhank you for your comments on my todays upload xx

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pluckyfilly
pluckyfilly e2 Member 8293 forum postspluckyfilly vcard United Kingdom33 Constructive Critique Points
11 Nov 2012 - 8:17 PM

lets hope we never have to go to war in this country again, sad that we have to be fighting with loss of life in other countries now

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dmhuynh72
dmhuynh72 e2 Member 628 forum postsdmhuynh72 vcard United Kingdom3 Constructive Critique Points
11 Nov 2012 - 9:26 PM

V2 is so evocative Moira, both excellent shots.
regards
Yung

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twelvemegs
11 Nov 2012 - 9:52 PM

Yes, I see where you’re going on V2 Moira, I hope it works for you this time.
Still, two very clever shots, I like them both.

David

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pdcche
pdcche  4 United Kingdom
11 Nov 2012 - 10:20 PM

Great tribute images Moira, Peter..

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mikbee
mikbee e2 Member 7mikbee vcard Scotland7 Constructive Critique Points
11 Nov 2012 - 11:16 PM

Captures the moment very well I feel Moira.
Good to see the youngsters involved here too !!
Good shots.
Mick.

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nonur
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12 Nov 2012 - 10:29 AM

Love them both, Moira! V1 for the compo and wonderful expressions and V2 for the thought it provokes.

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Glostopcat
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12 Nov 2012 - 5:33 PM

I like both very much Moira, two fine images that perfectly epitomise what Remembrance Day is all about

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AnneWorner
AnneWorner e2 Member 7614 forum postsAnneWorner vcard United States43 Constructive Critique Points
12 Nov 2012 - 6:31 PM

I've gone back and forth between the two of these - keep getting drawn back to v2 - it's that little girl on the right that conveys the emotion of this so much for me.

We don't pay as much homage in this country as you do in yours. It's an official holiday here today - yesterday was the official Veteran's day.

Anne

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MacroMeister
13 Nov 2012 - 9:48 AM

Structure-wise, #1 doesn't work for me at all. The shot is split clearly into two by the ex-soldiers on either side. And everyone apart from one is looking off-shot at something - the parade? We don't know, do we? I think it might have worked a lot better if the chap on the left had been facing into the shot (like the gent on the right) and that girl at the front had been looking straight at the camera. That would have been quite symbolic of 'those who have served giving way to a younger generation' etc. As it is I'm finding it hard to look at the shot and find something definite to focus upon.

I do appreciate that it portrays an emotional scene that reflects something going on in society, and therefore is considered to have the power to evoke empathy. But that doesn't mean that it automatically is a great opportunity for great shots?

#2 is a much better composition. It's technically better, and gives more weight to the emotional structure. Although you could have moved left a bit to just get the girl who seems to by crying.

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mrswoolybill Critique Team 8481 forum postsmrswoolybill vcard United Kingdom1070 Constructive Critique Points
13 Nov 2012 - 10:01 AM

Interesting comment MacroMeister, thanks for your thoughts.

Quote: everyone apart from one is looking off-shot at something - the parade? We don't know, do we?

Now I assume that you quote this as a criticism, I would view it as a compliment! I have long reckoned that the site divides between the photographers who want satisfying answers and those who want questions unanswered.
I do agree that V2 is the better composition, but technically it has severe shortcomings for me.
This sort of event is a lottery - I went down yesterday hoping to get something similar, but I have no idea where the war veterans were positioned, they were nowhere near to the youth groups. So one takes what is available. There's a related discussion going on re. 213hardy's upload.
And round here, once you have taken up your position, no, you cannot move a bit to one side, not without a sharp elbowing from the ladies!
Cheers,
Moira

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13 Nov 2012 - 12:51 PM


Quote: This sort of event is a lottery - I went down yesterday hoping to get something similar, but I have no idea where the war veterans were positioned, they were nowhere near to the youth groups. So one takes what is available. There's a related discussion going on re. 213hardy's upload.
And round here, once you have taken up your position, no, you cannot move a bit to one side, not without a sharp elbowing from the ladies!
Cheers,
Moira

Yeah, I agree with that, and I meant to say 'you often have to work with what is there'. But that just emphasizes the need to think 'on the spot' in such situations, and it isn't easy to do that. I do appreciate that. Luck plays a part, of course, but you need to take a lot of shots to just get a lucky angle/pose. Even top professional photographers say that you need to take lots of shots. As a matter of interest, how many shots did you take in the time you were at the parade?

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annettep38
annettep38 e2 Member 3188 forum postsannettep38 vcard France32 Constructive Critique Points
16 Nov 2012 - 10:17 AM

no 2 for me, priceless Smile it may technically not be perfect, but it is the faces, the atmosphere that counts.

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mrswoolybill
mrswoolybill Critique Team 8481 forum postsmrswoolybill vcard United Kingdom1070 Constructive Critique Points
16 Nov 2012 - 12:36 PM


Quote: As a matter of interest, how many shots did you take in the time you were at the parade?

Just checked back. For the parade as a whole, 71; of those 29 taken in the course of about 10 minutes at the Church, before and after the two minute silence. No pictures taken during the act of remembrance, of course.
Moira

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16 Nov 2012 - 1:38 PM

PS More pictures (mine plus the Other Half's) available here. Most of what we do is as volunteers for the town Council and Community Partnership, of which I am a Trustee.

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mrswoolybill Critique Team 8481 forum postsmrswoolybill vcard United Kingdom1070 Constructive Critique Points
17 Nov 2012 - 9:35 PM


Quote: I think it might have worked a lot better if the chap on the left had been facing into the shot (like the gent on the right) and that girl at the front had been looking straight at the camera.

I've been ignoring this bit in the hope that it would go away but of course it won't. I also started off thinking that it might be intended humorously, but subsequent exchanges have persuaded me that it was meant seriously. I have to say (and probably nobody else will ever read this) that this is probably the daftest comment that I have ever read on one of my uploads.
So, there I am, standing alongside the vicar, who is about to start the Act of Remembrance, and the scouts, brownies, veterans are assembling in front of me. And I shout out 'Sorry folks, you don't look very organised do you? Everyone please look forward, it will make a much better picture'.
For God's sake this is real life. People don't all look at the same thing. Not even at parades.

Quote: As it is I'm finding it hard to look at the shot and find something definite to focus upon.

So let the eye wander... It won't make you go blind. Quite the opposite, in fact.

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