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This is a portrait of my good friend Colin who plays a mean saxophone. Was hoping for some feedback on which version works the best. All comments welcome.

Brand:Canon
Camera:Canon EOS 5D MkII
Lens:90mm
Recording media:JPEG (digital)
Date Taken:27 Jan 2010 - 12:05 PM
Focal Length:90mm
Lens Max Aperture:f/2.8
Aperture:f/2.8
Shutter Speed:1/30sec
Exposure Comp:0.0
ISO:160
Exposure Mode:Manual
Metering Mode:Spot
Flash:Off, Did not fire
White Balance:Manual
Title:Saxy man
Username:Imagecrafter Imagecrafter
Uploaded:22 Jan 2013 - 10:32 PM
Tags:Jazz, Musician, Portrait, Portraits / people, Saxophone
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paulbroad
paulbroad  789 forum posts United Kingdom880 Constructive Critique Points
23 Jan 2013 - 8:46 AMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

The best, by far, is the sepia version. Warm tone suits. It is a pity that you are so close to the background, giving the shadow, but the result is a fine portrait in many ways. If you are going to crop the top of his head, and I don't mind that, you need to re-balance the rest. Some off the bottom and right. Doesn't matter if you loose some Sax, it's obvious what it is.

I find myself wondering about the density of the black on all three. There is not a hint of any tone or detail and it might be nice to have something. Have you tried some judicious dodging?

Paul

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Imagecrafter
23 Jan 2013 - 10:58 AM

Thank you, Paul, that's great. Lots of good tips here. I take your point about the shadow on the background. Will try some more cropping, and will see if I can bring some texture back to the jumper. Your feedback is much appreciated.

Lesley

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cats_123
cats_123 e2 Member 104242 forum postscats_123 vcard Northern Ireland25 Constructive Critique Points
23 Jan 2013 - 11:02 AM

am no expert..but to me V1 looks a little dull and unexciting....much prefer V2 but have had a play in Lightroom trying to lift some of the tones Smile

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banehawi
banehawi Critique Team 10979 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada2981 Constructive Critique Points
23 Jan 2013 - 4:23 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Its a nice shot Lesley, and which version is best is completely a matter of personal preference, especially as you havent uploaded the original colour shot, which may have been the best! The detail in the sax is excellent. His expression appears worried, - maybe a little more relaxed would be better next time.

Paul makes some good points. For me, when toning, I would be careful about the whites of the eyes, - and the loss of contrast that is caused by toning. The shadows will be darkened and more obvious with toning applied.

I believe youve cropped the top of his head simply to include all of the sax, whereas this might not have been necessary using a shorter focal length, or moving back, to leave his had in, and room to crop at the bottom.

I have to assume, since you shutter speed is very slow for the focal length, that this is tripod mounted, and the subject was incredibly still!

Anyway, working on V1, I have uploaded 2 mods. One with some space on the left, and the subject off centre, and the other cropped to an 8 X 10 aspect ratio, losing some of the sax. I wonder does it make any difference in portraying the subject as a sax player? In both, Ive reduce the toning in the eye whites, accented the catch lights dulled by toning, and slightly brightened.

I would loke to see the colour version.



regards



Willie

Last Modified By banehawi at 23 Jan 2013 - 4:26 PM

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Imagecrafter
23 Jan 2013 - 6:13 PM

Hi Willie,

I have uploaded the original as version 4. Will be very interested to hear what you think, as now that I see it again, I can see that I might have lost something in the toning. All the points you make are things I will give thought to. I'm always a bit afraid to whiten the eyes too much in case it's too obvious, but I agree that they look a bit dull in V1. I am also reconsidering the cropping and will have another shot at that, as I can see that your mods are a bit better balanced. I did use a tripod, and my model was very good ad sitting still!

Thanks so much for the CC.

Lesley

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Imagecrafter
23 Jan 2013 - 6:19 PM


Quote: Am no expert..but to me V1 looks a little dull and unexciting....much prefer V2 but have had a play in Lightroom trying to lift some of the tones Smile

Thanks, Cats_123! Yes, I can see that you have managed to brighten it considerably, and it's more interesting to see texture in the dark jumper. Also the brightening of the face is an improvement. Think I went a bit overboard with what I thought might be 'moody' toning. Will give it a go myself for practice and experience.

Your feedback is much appreciated. Cheers!

Lesley

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cats_123
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23 Jan 2013 - 7:11 PM

like v4 Smile

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banehawi
banehawi Critique Team 10979 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada2981 Constructive Critique Points
23 Jan 2013 - 7:22 PM

Hi Lesley, Ive come back to this, and think the toning is not quite sepia, and its too heavily applied. So Ive uploaded yet another mod with a lighter application of a less dense sepia tone. But now I see the colour! So will take a closer look at that.


regards


Willie

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Imagecrafter
23 Jan 2013 - 7:38 PM

I really like your modification. More subtle and the eyes are captivating. The toning I used was the 'Duplex' option in Colour Efex Pro, and I agree that it looks heavily applied. I like your mod much better. This is so helpful. It makes it possible to view my own work more objectively.Grin

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23 Jan 2013 - 10:24 PM

Lesley, - I really like the colour, and Ive uploaded a mod. Mainly a little sharpening, brightening the eyes, bringing out shadow detail in the sweater. I added a little more height. I think the sax looks best in colour, - especially like the pearl inserts in the buttons, and the player looks less worried for some reason!


Hope the mod works for you,


Regards


Willie

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paulbroad
paulbroad  789 forum posts United Kingdom880 Constructive Critique Points
24 Jan 2013 - 9:07 AM

I still like your V1, given my comments. A lot of different ideas here and thus very interesting. May be the sepia is a bit warm and I normally comment on that, but think it suites quite well here. A good shot.

Paul

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Imagecrafter
24 Jan 2013 - 10:14 AM


Quote: Lesley, - I really like the colour, and Ive uploaded a mod. Mainly a little sharpening, brightening the eyes, bringing out shadow detail in the sweater. I added a little more height. I think the sax looks best in colour, - especially like the pearl inserts in the buttons, and the player looks less worried for some reason!


Hope the mod works for you,


Regards


Willie

That looks great, Willie! These adjustments make all the difference, and I've come back around to really liking the colour version. Thanks so much for taking the time to help.

Lesley

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24 Jan 2013 - 10:20 AM


Quote: I still like your V1, given my comments. A lot of different ideas here and thus very interesting. May be the sepia is a bit warm and I normally comment on that, but think it suites quite well here. A good shot.

Paul

Thanks for your input, Paul. It helps so much to get some objective feedback. Really interesting to see your mod. I think I have a tendency to go too dark and lose detail.

Cheers!

Lesley

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24 Jan 2013 - 10:34 PM

great work

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24 Jan 2013 - 11:25 PM

Excellent shots full of detail
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25 Jan 2013 - 3:57 AM

:Brilliant

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ChiliMan
ChiliMan e2 Member 8135 forum postsChiliMan vcard Singapore17 Constructive Critique Points
25 Jan 2013 - 7:33 AM

I really like the tone in the sepia but it's a wee bit too dark for me. I prefer V2 'cos there's more light and detail AND his skin looks better there...'cos of the elevated brightness.

V3 is too grainy for me. V4 is a fabulous original! That said, if you'd placed a soft reflector or just a sheet of white paper to the left of his head, it'd bounce some light onto the left side of his face and give a bit of illumination there. That's a minor issue, though.

V2 is wonderful, though.

Lemme try a mod with V1 and see if I can make it brighter...

A...

Last Modified By ChiliMan at 25 Jan 2013 - 7:34 AM

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25 Jan 2013 - 7:44 AM

Ok...just did a Mod on the sepia shot. In Paint Shop Pro, I increased Gamma Correction by 30% and then Contrast by 10%. Then I applied the LucisArt Sculpture filter in Photoshop.

Andrew

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Imagecrafter
25 Jan 2013 - 9:06 AM

Really lovely, Andrew. There's a big difference, and takes away the heavy look of mine. I'm not aware of the LucisArt Sculpture filter. Is that a plug-in?

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25 Jan 2013 - 12:09 PM

Thanks, Lesley. Yup, it's a plug-in for Photoshop. PM me your e-mail address if you fancy it. It's only 724K in size so it's definitely e-mailable.

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