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Another one from Scaleber Force. This is a 5 stop HDR bracket brought together in Photomatix.

Brand:Pentax
Camera:Pentax K-5 Check out PENTAXPORTAL!
Lens:smc PENTAX-DA 12-24mm F4 ED AL [IF]
Recording media:JPEG (digital)
Date Taken:20 Aug 2011 - 1:00 PM
Focal Length:21mm
Aperture:f/8.0
Shutter Speed:0.4sec
ISO:100
Title:Scaleber Force
Username:Pete Pete
Uploaded:25 Aug 2011 - 9:47 PM
Tags:Landscape / travel, North yorkshire, Scaleber force, Watefall
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SlowSong
SlowSong e2 Member 64429 forum postsSlowSong vcard England29 Constructive Critique Points
25 Aug 2011 - 9:55 PM

Very girly and coy waterfalls. Smile

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Tynnwrlluniau
Tynnwrlluniau e2 Member 439 forum postsTynnwrlluniau vcard Wales36 Constructive Critique Points
25 Aug 2011 - 10:12 PM

Great composition with a mystical quality resulting from your pp.
Alun

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edrhodes
edrhodes  9521 forum posts United Kingdom12 Constructive Critique Points
25 Aug 2011 - 10:20 PM

Like the composition Pete, but for me, knowing the location the foliage looks just a bit to light and unnatural. But then you could of had a real sunny day Grin

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BillyGoatGruff
BillyGoatGruff e2 Member 7191 forum postsBillyGoatGruff vcard England199 Constructive Critique Points
25 Aug 2011 - 10:33 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Once again you've made a magnificent composition, Pete!

I'm compelled to say, I'm afraid, that I think the HDR is merely adequate and that this beautiful image would really benefit from having the contrast better developed and defined.
The drama of this scene and the movement within it has been let down considerably by trying to reproduce all the tones, resulting in an emotionally flat picture and lacking any sense of depth or light so characteristic in deep valleys.

Try duplicating the layer, set the blend mode to multiply and opacity to around 75%, to see what I mean! Smile
If you agree, then I think you'd also need to blend in one of the original frames at the top, where there seems to be some subject movement, once again emphasizing the use of HDR.
When used well, HDR is (and should) be invisible: - look at Dave U's work, or Royce Howland's, otherwise it becomes just an obvious and unsubtle technique and it's very easy to be seduced by the facilty to use "the whole tonal range" at the expense of emotional impact.

Personally I would have tried to use one or maybe two of the frames and blended by hand.
An image of this obvious quality deserves better than HDR.

Ok. Rant over.
And only an opinion....Grin

Cheers

Bill

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annettep38
annettep38 e2 Member 3186 forum postsannettep38 vcard France32 Constructive Critique Points
25 Aug 2011 - 10:33 PM

a fairy's playground! very pretty.
idiot question: what on earth is photomatics? a PS plugin?

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AR_Photography
25 Aug 2011 - 10:46 PM

Lovely image

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pluckyfilly
pluckyfilly e2 Member 8283 forum postspluckyfilly vcard United Kingdom33 Constructive Critique Points
25 Aug 2011 - 10:54 PM

I have used photomatix its a plugin for HDR images as far as I know - if I could produce an image like this I would be well pleased but we all have our limitations in varying forms. I did think yesterdays showed better as a great result.

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Pete
Pete Site Moderator 1318443 forum postsPete vcard ePz Advertiser England96 Constructive Critique Points
25 Aug 2011 - 11:22 PM

Thanks all, and special thanks to Bill for taking the time to deliver a full critique. Wish more would do this throughout the gallerySmile
Ed I've uploaded one of the middle unedited bracketed shots so you can see it was actually very sunny when we were there.

Last Modified By Pete at 25 Aug 2011 - 11:23 PM

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SteveH1978
25 Aug 2011 - 11:39 PM

Cracking shot, with great composition and colours. nice one!

Steve

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RonnieAG
RonnieAG e2 Member 4139 forum postsRonnieAG vcard Scotland111 Constructive Critique Points
26 Aug 2011 - 12:19 AM

A beautifully composed image, the water captured in such a way to show just a satisfactory amount of movement.
I do not have the knowledge to understand Bill's remarks fully, and HDR is a close book to mr, but I did find reading his remarks quite stimulating.
Ronnie.

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LesF
LesF e2 Member 7176 forum postsLesF vcard 8 Constructive Critique Points
26 Aug 2011 - 7:20 AM

Is that huge tree trunk still there to the right Pete, blocking out the use of a wider lanscape format of the location, it was a couple of months back and shots recently from here suggest it still is.


LesF

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BillyGoatGruff
BillyGoatGruff e2 Member 7191 forum postsBillyGoatGruff vcard England199 Constructive Critique Points
26 Aug 2011 - 9:13 AM

Glad to have been of some use, Pete!

Deep river gorges are not easy, particularly on bright sunny days!!
I had very similar contrast problems when I was in South Wales not too long ago, exacerbated by the fact that an unshielded sun was shining directly up the valley, meaning that my (very dense) shadow was in almost every shot! Not easy to get around that one or even achieve a decent composition!
Sometimes a strong soft grad will help, but more often than not, some sort of HDR approach is necessary to capture the full tonal range.

Where, in my opinion, a lot of people fall down is believeing that HDR techniques alone are the be-all-and-end-all of image processing and don't, therefore, take the final steps after the tone-mapping, which usually involves putting some contrast, drama and emotion back into the image. Thus they are often losing sight of what prompted the capture in the first place!

It is, surely, the huge range of light and shade and their interplay with each other that can evoke our emotional, subjective response in situations such as this one.
HDR, then, is merely just a technique for capturing this and attempting to recreate it in the smaller tonal space of a monitor or print.
Just because something has be "HDR'ed" doesn't make it good! It's just another tool to help with one's expressiveness.....

If we saw the chisel marks in Michaelangelo's David would we be so impressed with it? I think not.
Similarly, it's important for people to not lose sight of the fact that HDR imaging is just such a tool and just a stage on the way to making an image, and therefore not important in and of itself.
It is the finshed piece that is important, not how one achieved it.

Some further thoughts (ok, opinions!), anyway..... Wink
I'll shut up now - I'm off on hols soon Smile

Cheers

Bill

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LisaRose
LisaRose  7172 forum posts United States4 Constructive Critique Points
26 Aug 2011 - 4:53 PM

Love the way you composed this shot Pete. Looks like a really beautiful place.

Lisa

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Bogwoppett
Bogwoppett e2 Member 9Bogwoppett vcard United Kingdom
29 Aug 2011 - 5:09 PM

beautifully composed pic. but I find it easy to tell that it's a montage.

-steve

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colin beeley
colin beeley e2 Member 111070 forum postscolin beeley vcard England10 Constructive Critique Points
4 Sep 2011 - 5:49 PM

love a great waterfall shot Wink

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gingerdelight

Wow! Stunning!
Carol

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AshTree
AshTree  51702 forum posts England6 Constructive Critique Points
7 Sep 2011 - 8:44 AM

It's a wonderful composition of a truly magnificent and graceful waterfall. I've never tried HDR but I can appreciate the differences between the the two versions and see the improvements in the final upload of V1. And I've loved reading BillyGoatGruff's two critiques - we can all learn so much from the generosity of some of the members here, so thank you Bill!
Theresa

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ianrobinson
ianrobinson e2 Member 41107 forum postsianrobinson vcard United Kingdom8 Constructive Critique Points
10 Sep 2011 - 9:17 AM

Nicely produced Pete.
Your HDR take on this is very good, i presume you like as natural a shot as possible on HDR images as this definetly looks so natural i did not think for one second it was a HDR image.
Love that exposure on the water and all done on the pentax, got to say i am unfamiliar with this camera is it a 4/3 camera.
A great shot and must say i am always inspired by shots of this calibre.

Ian.

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mikesmith
mikesmith e2 Member 1045 forum postsmikesmith vcard United Kingdom35 Constructive Critique Points
12 Sep 2011 - 7:21 PM

I find that HDR treatment on waterfalls doesn't always produce the right effect, especially on the water. However the use of five bracketed frames seems to have worked well in this case. And I had to look twice to appreciate it was actually HDR. The colours appear to have taken on a very green tinge, maybe that was intentional or just an effect of using HDR. Maybe a tweak to the colours may have benefited the end result, not sure?
For me what makes this is the composition: I have visited the site myself many times and the difficulty with trying to get the entire drop in is the overexposed sky which results. However, the angle from which you have shot has eliminated this problem. At the end of the day, if the light ain't right at Scalebar then you're buggared but quite clearly this shot has benefited from the use of HDR.
Mike

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