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You can travel the length and breadth of the country taking photographs but sometimes the ones that have meaning are the ones on your doorstep...

..so this one is for Janet and me as it's my favourite of this year so far by a mile.

Some of the stalls on Doncaster's Fish Market have been in the same family for three and four generations. They have helped to create something for the town to be proud of - if only Doncaster's Town Council could but see it.

Camera:canon eos-1DsMKII
Lens:EF16-35L
Recording media:digital iso 100
Title:Selling Shellfish
Username:keithh keithh
Uploaded:12 Feb 2007 - 9:04 AM
Tags:Architecture, Doncaster, Fish, General, Landscape / travel, Market
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HowardA
12 Feb 2007 - 9:18 AM
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Beautiful colours and comp Keith. Has it been HDR'd?
Howard

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keithh
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12 Feb 2007 - 9:22 AM
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It is a HDR image. Lots of views on this which is a little bit of a downer...LOL...as I love this shot to death. It equals anything I took last year for me.

dazzaman
12 Feb 2007 - 9:23 AM
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this is spot on keith.perfect comp.and the colours are so vibrant
love it.



not been to donny markets for ages, we must make a trip,and have some cockles.and muscles, you av set me off now. mmmmmm.

mattmatic
12 Feb 2007 - 9:28 AM
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Funnily enough I could tell it was HDR from the thumbnail (looks really strange!)... Smile

What is more than a little bizarre is that the person on the left has lost their legs! :o)

Oh the wonders of HDR!!

But I like this Wink
Matt

Really like how this is lit, a wonderful, perfectly exposed capture

chesh
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12 Feb 2007 - 9:30 AM
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'Sagoodun Kieth
I have to agree with your own comments on this one.
Superbly mapped tones and all that. I would have cropped a little off the left hand side just so that the pillar sits in the same relative position as the one on the right.
One of the best shots I've seen lately.
Dave

Imagine23
12 Feb 2007 - 9:31 AM
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Love it
L

keithh
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12 Feb 2007 - 9:32 AM
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She has no legs on the actual RAW file either because she's sat on a stool....the people were added back into the HDR file afterwards, so in fact nothing to do with the wonders of HDR at all
Wink

TonyA
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12 Feb 2007 - 9:33 AM
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Excellent HDR image, Keith. Capturing the two persons without any movement is quite a feat. I remember that commenting my first HDR image you told me that it was basically a technique for still image and with these shots you are proving yourself wrong.

Antonio

Keith - I've got a closed up shot of Durham market to come and know exactly what you are saying.

Once again for me personally this is up there with the interior HDR shots you took at York.

Some would say this is missing something - but not me. Technically excellent and so obviously personal.

Dan

POOCHIE
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12 Feb 2007 - 9:34 AM
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This is marvellous Keith, looks so art deco I keep expecting Poirot to turn up for some food for his little grey cells lol.

Pooch.

keithh
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12 Feb 2007 - 9:38 AM
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LOL...I'd love to know what was missing. I know where this stands as an image - but don't let that stop people saying what's wrong with it - you may get a discussion of course.
Wink

I just came up with a way of colour matching straight shots with the HDR'd shot, Tony, which means I can drop standard images into HDR'd ones....makes life interesting

DaveU
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12 Feb 2007 - 9:41 AM
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A stylish shot Keith, and I especially like the contrast between the simple exterior and the detail and colour of the interior. For me though this does look a tad unbalanced and I'd agree that a slight crop off the left edge might restore the harmony.

I think the discussion is going to be over composition. For some the composition will be too random and maybe lacking balance and focus.

I'm not saying that I necessarily agree with that - just that i can see the possibility for some to think that way.

{EDIT - see previous post !}

keithh
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12 Feb 2007 - 9:45 AM
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Thankfully my seminar at Focus is on composition
Wink

Cropping from the left alters where the three lights and the words Fish Market stand - cropping minor elements to the detriment of major ones is never good photography. If someone sees this as random...well words would fail me.

I think a lot of people will see this as random.

However thats the beauty of composition - rules are there to be broken and from an artistic viewpoint that is always a good thing.

glenalva
12 Feb 2007 - 9:49 AM
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It looks like it's housed in a beautiful historic building, that set of lights (which I absolutely love!) and pattern on the floor/pavement have a real Victorian feel about them....a treat to see.

Looking at it again it's maybe more Art Deco than Victorian lol.....can't make my mind up.....keep coming back for another look.

Ali

keithh
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12 Feb 2007 - 9:53 AM
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Grids are rarely random - however...onward and downward.

You wanted to the discussion .. I'm merely sitting on the fence Smile

(Quite painful it is too ... )

HowardA
12 Feb 2007 - 10:02 AM
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haha...the comments are really making me laugh. Very pleasantly surprised at everyone's sense of humour this early on a Monday...good stuff. Honestly, I think there is so much to enjoy with this Keith - the shadows of the shutters and the zones of light in the f/g, the three different shades of green in the lighting..and the composition!! The clicks must be a-coming. Cheers, Howard.

keithh
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12 Feb 2007 - 10:02 AM
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I have no problem with discussion - although we seem to be discussing what other people 'might' say, I just don't see this as random by any stretch of anybody's imagination.
Maybe I should have put it in Photojournalism and claimed to have been under attack while I was taking it.
Wink

Oh don't worry, Howard - these discussions often crop up in my work.

mattmatic
12 Feb 2007 - 10:03 AM
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Quote: the people were added back into the HDR file afterwards

So did they not appear at all in the HDR? Or were they just so blurred as to disappear?

So this is HDR + Normal then? :-P
Maybe you should coin another phrase! MDR (Mixed Dynamic Range) for instance.
Matt

keithh
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12 Feb 2007 - 10:05 AM
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The figures don't appear in the HDR image at all in fact the two people weren't there...then I took a couple of shots after when they were - and added those in to the HDR shot.

So this is HDR GTi

chris-p
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12 Feb 2007 - 10:23 AM
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Just wondering how long you would spend at the computer to create images like this..looks complicated
Chris

keithh
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12 Feb 2007 - 10:27 AM
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bout ten minutes

Hanners
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12 Feb 2007 - 10:31 AM
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yeah, I know what you mean Mr H, you can sometimes neglect whats under your very nose, I like this one for the colours and detail.





CLIX

jken
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12 Feb 2007 - 11:09 AM
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Love the look and feel to this. It's almost Maya like.

john

keithh
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12 Feb 2007 - 11:22 AM
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I just like the randomesque flow of juxtapositional elements working against the taint of working class drudgery in a world of supermarket fueled consumerism.

I am going to rename this 'Slap My Fish Up.'

paulcr
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12 Feb 2007 - 11:40 AM
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I love composition in this. The positioning of the two subjects is just excellent. Paul

dp
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12 Feb 2007 - 11:54 AM
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Have another RC.


Dave

keithh
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12 Feb 2007 - 11:58 AM
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LOL...I will not back down from these food related shots!!!
Wink

HowardA
12 Feb 2007 - 12:31 PM
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Best get my 'skates' on before these fish puns start working their way in. Howard.

keithh
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12 Feb 2007 - 12:33 PM
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Best not flounder then.

Boyd
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12 Feb 2007 - 1:08 PM
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Obviously I appreciate how you've portrayed the symbiotic relationship between man and fish. The colour sequence of green, blue, red, fish colour, orangey, blue body-warmer, red, microwave is a timeless classic of compositional insouciance.
However, I feel that it's missing something.
I shall return later.

only thing missing here is my click.
But now everything is fine

Boyd
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12 Feb 2007 - 1:25 PM
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Koen's click. Of course.
Why do I always look for the obscure instead of concentrating on the obvious?
;o)

Boyd - Maybe it's missing a hook Wink

(Note the clever play on words x 2 Mr H!)

D

rontear
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12 Feb 2007 - 1:41 PM
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An image of a dying trade, as you have mentioned Keith, those supermarkets! Traditional view with composition spot on, fantastic detail. A Slice of life! Ron..

conrad
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12 Feb 2007 - 1:42 PM
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I can see why you like this, Keith. Technically indeed excellent. Plenty of atmosphere, too.

I think I might have been inclined to crop it slightly more on the left, so it would look like more symmetrical, which I think might increase the impact, but that's just me, of course.

Anyway, good job!

Conrad

keithh
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12 Feb 2007 - 2:02 PM
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Many people would have cropped from the left....I'm not one of them
Wink
What's Canvas Dan waffling on about?
LOL

daviewat
12 Feb 2007 - 2:15 PM
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No cropping Smile) good. But the no smoking sighn Smile)) They seem to pop up in a lot of images now, must develop a market for less obvious ones Smile) mind that would decrease the value of them.

Hey .. I'm not wearing canvas today .. i've gone for SPANDEX !

Smile

keithh
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12 Feb 2007 - 2:24 PM
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They do allow the the smoking of Haddock though

why does the idea of Dan in spandex and Little Britain seem so connected?

Well as an intelligent and cultured guy who doesn't watch such trash I'll leave that to you to work out ..

Wink

keithh
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12 Feb 2007 - 2:40 PM
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I already have

deviant
12 Feb 2007 - 2:45 PM
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Okay I'll try a food joke right after I decod the image.

keithh
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12 Feb 2007 - 2:47 PM
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No need to be so snapper about it

Keith .. be careful .. you might start receiving hake mail ..

Rob_Taylor
12 Feb 2007 - 4:05 PM
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I can see why it's one of your favourites, it's brilliant!
Jumped out at me as a HDR image, I don't mean that in a derogatory sense, I opened the thumbnail because I'm interested in what you can achieve with this new software, the detail, texture and dynamic range is fantastic.
Now about the composition .....as suggested by others, I would favour a slight crop to the LH side, I've read your comments but I think that would actually put the light cluster and fish market sign in a better position within the image ...and I'm a sucker for symmetry!
I think someone may have suggested the composition could come across as random because it's so close to symetrical, it could look like that was your aim but you've been careless with the LH side. I'm not suggesting that of course, I'm sitting on the fence with Dan!

Rob

keithh
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12 Feb 2007 - 4:11 PM
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Careful it won't take the weight unless Dan get's off first.
Wink


I have no problem with people prefering another view point or crop - it's the word random - when I press the shutter button I know it's what I want and I like the light coming in from the left hand railings....it's never random

You know he's lost when he brings it back around to weight ... Wink

keithh
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12 Feb 2007 - 4:18 PM
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i didn't - I refered to the fence and it's weight bearing capabilites.

Lost? - has there been a fight, a competition, a war?

" To survive war ... you have to become war "

Rambo
First Blood Part 2

keithh
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12 Feb 2007 - 4:36 PM
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....sigh....

POOCHIE
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12 Feb 2007 - 4:47 PM
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I like people who can hover without any legs they are very clever lol.

keithh
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12 Feb 2007 - 4:50 PM
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LOL....she's sat on a stool

Finlayoman
12 Feb 2007 - 5:09 PM
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Great subject, colours and lighting.

chase
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12 Feb 2007 - 5:38 PM
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The image is great but for me..the memories are even greater.....many many thanks Keith!
Janet

SuziBlue
12 Feb 2007 - 5:46 PM
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Fab. Very.

stevenj
12 Feb 2007 - 6:01 PM
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I would have preferred two lights above the entrance, the word 'The' before Fish Market, one less row of bricks in the pavement, two less fish on the ice in the display cabinet, the body warmer to have been red, their mobile number to have some more 7's in it, and the fairy lights to have been arranged in a red-blue-green sequence. Oh, and a 4ft tall plastic model of a headless sea bass holding a sign saying "stop me and buy one" outside the right hand market entrance.

So you see Keith, the composition is all wrong.

;o)

keithh
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12 Feb 2007 - 6:11 PM
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LOL...the first real sense

almost Rabbit, Suze?
Wink

shortski
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12 Feb 2007 - 6:25 PM
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absoloutely stunning pic, great colours...jojo

martin.w
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12 Feb 2007 - 6:54 PM
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Interesting discussion! Random is a strong word, maybe some of us would have cropped from the left, but that doesn't make it a poor image. Anything but it fact. It does look HDR (sorry HDR GTI), but for me it works very well indeed and I would have been pleased to come up with anything like as good given a day at Donny Market Smile

IRaddict
12 Feb 2007 - 7:00 PM
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I can see why this is a favourite, it works a treat.

The HDR is top, what sort of exposures do you have to blend to acheive this result if you don't mind Smile

keithh
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12 Feb 2007 - 7:16 PM
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This was five exposures at f13.....and 5secs/2.5secs/1.2secs/0.5 and finally 1/4..it was taken at 7.15am and with the a van behind me waiting less than patiently to back into the space I was stood in.

ta f'ot comments

IRaddict
12 Feb 2007 - 7:26 PM
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Cheers for that, maybe a print would smooth them over.

keithh
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12 Feb 2007 - 7:27 PM
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you mean for free don't you?
Wink

alyismad
12 Feb 2007 - 9:05 PM
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This is spot on keith.perfect

Top class

love the comp

Steve

GillyB
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12 Feb 2007 - 9:29 PM
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So much to see and admire in this one Keith.

gill

keithh
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12 Feb 2007 - 10:30 PM
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and so to work....

...cheers you lot
a non food day tomorrow....maybe
Wink

TerryBaxter
12 Feb 2007 - 10:50 PM
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It's a brilliant picture; nuff said.

Terry.

Nick-T
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12 Feb 2007 - 11:01 PM
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Like it alot. Love the colours.

PatrickSmith
12 Feb 2007 - 11:08 PM
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Yep, this is up there with the best of the best. Maybe it is because I love fish markets, but I like the warm but still realistic tones on the wall. This looks so natural that it almost seems like nothing. In other words, just as it should be. I must hunt down some places like this and try some more hdr's with good subjects.

Patrick

SuziBlue
12 Feb 2007 - 11:43 PM
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Quote: almost Rabbit, Suze?

yep 8-]

TelStar
13 Feb 2007 - 12:57 AM
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This is my favourite of yours too; lighting, colours, detail and 'humdrum' activities are fascinating.
T*

Quality capture. Really like it

Colin

wamp
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13 Feb 2007 - 7:33 AM
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Nicely done Keith, the level of detail really is good, nice text as well

Sean

iancatch
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27 Feb 2007 - 10:04 PM
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Had to vote for this one - its my home town and shop here regularly!

keithh
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27 Feb 2007 - 10:20 PM
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thanks guys

good lord - me too

mmmm ho for a plate of cockles i allways like stopping of for one while karen does the shopping.

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