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"Rules for me are there to be broken, well in photography anyway?"

This portrait landscape of showing a section of the Grain Peninsula clearly had broken all the rules as laid out in John Hedgecoes Advanved Photography, but who cares I like it, for me I believe that the format works. "Other learned photographers may disagree?"

Thank you for all your wonderful comments and messages following yesterdays upload 'Peiring In'. A further mention going to Growmore(Gary) and jdinnes(John) for their most welcomed and appreciated User Awards.

I hope that you all have a great day ahead, I am still somewhat shaky on my pegs, so I rather relaxed day is on the cards.

Highest regards to you all as always.

Nathan

Brand:Canon
Camera:Canon EOS 7D
Lens:Tamron 10-24mm f/3.5-4.5 SP Di II LD Aspherical Lens Check out Totally Tamron!
Recording media:RAW (digital)
Date Taken:14 Nov 2011 - 10:13 AM
Focal Length:24mm
Lens Max Aperture:f/4.4
Aperture:f/6.3
Shutter Speed:1/400sec
Exposure Comp:0.0
ISO:400
Exposure Mode:Aperture-priority AE
Metering Mode:Spot
Flash:Off, Did not fire
White Balance:As Shot
Title:Sod the rules...
Username:NDODS NDODS
Uploaded:30 Jan 2013 - 7:59 AM
Tags:Cranes, Exporting, Factory, Importing, Isle of grain, Landscape / travel, Light, Port
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marshfam19
marshfam19 e2 Member 5marshfam19 vcard United Kingdom
30 Jan 2013 - 8:08 AM

Nathan

I don't usually advocate breaking rules but in this case I think you are definitely right. Great image as always.

Mary

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widtink
widtink  2406 forum posts Scotland2 Constructive Critique Points
30 Jan 2013 - 8:10 AM

Works for me Nathan rules should be bent,broken,smashed tae smithereens or just ignored my man so well doneGrin

Rod

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AnnChown
AnnChown e2 Member 4183 forum postsAnnChown vcard United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
30 Jan 2013 - 8:15 AM

I know so little about landscape photography that I don't even know which rule(s) you've broken Nathan! Smile Great light!
Ann

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franken
franken e2 Member 123171 forum postsfranken vcard Wales4 Constructive Critique Points
30 Jan 2013 - 8:16 AM

Works for me Nathan . I tend to ignore the rules! Smile

Ken

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fificat100
fificat100 e2 Member 3fificat100 vcard Scotland2 Constructive Critique Points
30 Jan 2013 - 8:20 AM

This is superb, Nathan. Some landscapes can only work in portrait format, and your shot certainly does. Rules, after all, are only guide-lines, no-matter what some 'experts' may say!SmileSmileSmile

Lavina

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CarolG
CarolG e2 Member 7134 forum postsCarolG vcard Greece18 Constructive Critique Points
30 Jan 2013 - 8:20 AM

Rules are made to be broken, Nathan, and why not Wink It certainly has worked for you here, a fine image. Carol

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HuddersfieldHil
HuddersfieldHil e2 Member 1HuddersfieldHil vcard United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
30 Jan 2013 - 8:31 AM

Great shot - bit worried about all the rule breakers on here tho - I hope you all stop at red lights Grin

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fentiger
fentiger  13915 forum posts England22 Constructive Critique Points
30 Jan 2013 - 8:31 AM

There should only be one rule ~ "there are no rules". Having said that I have to be honest and say Nathan that this image doesn't work for me ~ sorry!.

Albert

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leontari
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30 Jan 2013 - 8:32 AM

A superb portrait landscape with a strong skySmile
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nonur
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30 Jan 2013 - 8:33 AM

There is more than enough justification in this smashing photo for the breaking of the rule, Nathan. There's so many to praise here, so I'll rather say simply, this is SUPERB, and congratulate you.

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morpheus1955
30 Jan 2013 - 8:45 AM

Superb shot Nathan, great composition and light, excellent fg detail. As you may well have noticed I tend to bend if not totally smash the rules at times Tongue My view is if you like it and it works then that's all that matters SmileSmile Also IMHO their are no experts as to what is right or wrong as far as photography is concerned, we are all artists, in our medium and like all artists some of our work will be appreciated and some not, it is all subjective (wow how did i manage to spell that right this early lol) Just my opinion of course Nathan , fabulous shot have a great day my friend

Regards

Hugh

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User_Removed
30 Jan 2013 - 8:57 AM

A superb image again Nathan, as for rule's who's rule's, we take photograph's for our satisfaction not for rule's of others.
Regards, Alf.

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Lillian
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30 Jan 2013 - 8:58 AM

Well I think most are going to like this as well Nathan...that sky sets it all of so well
as already said, photographic rules are to be broken, or where would be be today from years ago?
and all what should be done according to earlier photographers
great shot
Lillian

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mrswoolybill
mrswoolybill Critique Team 7450 forum postsmrswoolybill vcard United Kingdom1030 Constructive Critique Points
30 Jan 2013 - 8:59 AM

This takes me into the scene and makes me want to step over that fence and look further, outside the frame. I've made my views on 'the rules' clear here before. Following them will produce a nice, satisfying cream-cake of a picture, absolutely safe, uncontroversial and leaving no questions unanswered. Breaking the rules can (it's not guaranteed) do much more, it can ask questions, startle, make the brain and imagination work, and that's much more important for me.
Moira

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EAS
EAS  5 Scotland13 Constructive Critique Points
30 Jan 2013 - 9:01 AM

Progress in photography is only ever made by those who don't stick to the rules, surely? Otherwise it would be just the same old every time! Your image here works beautifully.

Ann

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Hermanus
Hermanus  2 South Africa
30 Jan 2013 - 9:10 AM

Fortunately I don't know any rules - I am in this for the enjoyment of it !! Was a perfectionist for far to long in my life Smile I think this image rocks Nathan !! Love the sunbeams and cranes on the horison contrasted with the foreground SmileGrinGrinGrinGrin

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chrissie3
chrissie3  6 England
30 Jan 2013 - 9:37 AM

Like Herman I don't know the rules - except the one of thirds which I ignore anyway! I love the way the picture moves to the back and what appears to be a seascape is suddenly something different. The rays are a great addition.Smile

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woolybill1
woolybill1 e2 Member 8woolybill1 vcard United Kingdom65 Constructive Critique Points
30 Jan 2013 - 9:39 AM

I agree with you 100% about rules, Nathan!
(Yes, I am aware of some of them at least. I would have been in the Salon des Refusés with Manet and Whistler, in attitude at least GrinGrinGrin)
Gorgeous light!
Regards
Bill

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fentiger
fentiger  13915 forum posts England22 Constructive Critique Points
30 Jan 2013 - 10:29 AM

Yes Nathan No. 2 is, to my eye, a great improvement and gets the vote.

Albert

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RonnieAG
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30 Jan 2013 - 10:30 AM

I go along with all your above respondants, Nathan: rules are guide lines only but your own vision and artistry must come into play, interpreting these rules as you feel necessary, smashing them completely at times.
If it works for you, that's the man thing.
And today's shot is a great portrayal of what you saw and how you saw it.
Ronnie.

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WhiteRose1
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30 Jan 2013 - 10:43 AM

You become an anarchist all of a sudden, Nathan!! GrinGrinGrin As Ronnie says, they are only guidelines, and they do work in many cases, but if, by ignoring them, you achieve the result you are after, then you are the master of your photography. The brighter v2 for me.

Dave

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digital_boi
30 Jan 2013 - 11:02 AM

to hell with the rules Nathan you got the capture that you wanted and fine one it is as well the slighly brighter V2 works for me

Take it easy

GrahamGrinGrinGrin

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lonely_oryx
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30 Jan 2013 - 11:05 AM

Very ominous landscape

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Irishkate
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30 Jan 2013 - 11:28 AM

Looks like everybody has jumped the barrier into the scene beyond today!
You could crop this image several ways and end up with satisfactory images
but you given us the whole picture.
Prefer V2 with more light.
KateGrinGrinGrin

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mossy
mossy  146 forum posts England1 Constructive Critique Points
30 Jan 2013 - 11:29 AM

As i dont know the rules, i would never know if id broken one. Grin Great looking area, a mix of natural and man made habitat. Works for me Nathan.

regards brian.

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longhoss
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30 Jan 2013 - 11:35 AM

Superb image Nathan
I would agree that the rules would not work on this one
Glyn

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pmeswani
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30 Jan 2013 - 11:36 AM

An inspiration shot Nathan.

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Mrsbass
Mrsbass  1 United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
30 Jan 2013 - 12:32 PM

Two beautiful shots of which I can not choose a favourite, super colours and composition. I too take pictures to please myself - some work / some don't - yours definitely do!

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bobsblues
bobsblues  4 United Kingdom2 Constructive Critique Points
30 Jan 2013 - 12:35 PM

A good philosophy Nathan rules made to be broken and this super shot just proves it.
Rob

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Daisymaye
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30 Jan 2013 - 12:35 PM

You just keep breaking those rules Nathan. This is a great shot and I love that sky......Sandy

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jdinne
jdinne  11 England
30 Jan 2013 - 1:03 PM

If an image works what do rules matter and this Nathan is proof of the pudding. Love it oh and cant choose between.

Take it easy Nathan.

John

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Tibetan
Tibetan  2 England
30 Jan 2013 - 1:07 PM

You come on here Nathan, chuck all the rules out the flaming window and expect votes!, what do you think this is! a site for Vagabonds and charlatans people that think they can do what ever they like! lol. Well Nathan, I can tell you I'm with you all the flipping way lol. always been a rebel so be it, not bad photo's either, well done good for you, regards Leon.GrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinWink

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banehawi
banehawi Critique Team 10897 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada2892 Constructive Critique Points
30 Jan 2013 - 1:18 PM

A nice scene Nathan. Its as close to thirds as makes very little difference though! Unless theres another rule being broken!


Willie

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williamsloan
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30 Jan 2013 - 1:38 PM

a well focused and well taken shot.I like it.

billy

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taggart
taggart e2 Member 1042 forum poststaggart vcard United States12 Constructive Critique Points
30 Jan 2013 - 2:14 PM

V2 seems brighter--more appealing-- where ever this is, it is very descriptive and leaves the viewer thinking about more exploration-- a grand image!

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achieverswales
30 Jan 2013 - 2:18 PM

All been said Nathan, what part of this photograph would you remove to follow the rule of thirds, could you crop some of the sky with the fantastic light! No, would you crop from the bottom and loose the fence with those excellent tones! No, the rule of thirds is a guide to follow only, look at the old masters and you will see excellent examples of rule of thirds and stunning light, but they also broke these rules when it suited them, the light in V2 is awesome mate and my choice, I would hang this in my Mother in Laws house! It would suit her nature (Dark and Foreboding)

Regards

Trev.

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canonfan
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30 Jan 2013 - 2:57 PM

This works for me Nathan. I prefer V2 for the light
Jim

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ali63
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30 Jan 2013 - 3:39 PM

I like this very much Nathan,
Ali

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pentony
pentony  6 England
30 Jan 2013 - 3:40 PM

Lovely Image

Pau

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platzy
platzy  1 United Kingdom
30 Jan 2013 - 3:45 PM

Love the light in V2, cool image Nathan who needs rules.

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Rende
Rende e2 Member 737 forum postsRende vcard Netherlands4 Constructive Critique Points
30 Jan 2013 - 4:12 PM

Beautiful composition and wonderful light Nathan. I prefer the softer and more atmospheric V2.
Rende

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keithh
keithh e2 Member 1023169 forum postskeithh vcard Wallis and Futuna33 Constructive Critique Points
30 Jan 2013 - 4:24 PM

I'm not sure which rules have been broken here but if anything it suffers from being rather drab and under-exposed.

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luckybry
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30 Jan 2013 - 4:33 PM

works for me Nathan that what they make rules for

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SUE118
SUE118 e2 Member 6SUE118 vcard United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
30 Jan 2013 - 4:53 PM

Break all the rules I say, Love both shots Nathan.

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pluckyfilly
pluckyfilly e2 Member 8283 forum postspluckyfilly vcard United Kingdom33 Constructive Critique Points
30 Jan 2013 - 5:16 PM

Love that stormy threatening sky and as I see it the fence is nicely positioned almost on the thirds anyway and what the heck I don't always follow the rules, unless its in front of the competition judgeWink

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ChristineD
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30 Jan 2013 - 5:17 PM

This is superb
Beautiful composition

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Meheecho
Meheecho  1275 forum posts United Kingdom
30 Jan 2013 - 5:19 PM

Superb images
Steve

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bobhowell
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30 Jan 2013 - 5:29 PM

Love it

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30 Jan 2013 - 5:40 PM

Grate light and well capture image Nathan,
Elena

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Franko59
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30 Jan 2013 - 5:44 PM

I like it ! nice1,,,regards Ian

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Fefe
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30 Jan 2013 - 5:54 PM

Na'then RobertWinkTongue
Beautifully broken rulesGrinGrin

KateSad............ or Betty if you likeWink
GrinGrinGrinGrin

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lifesnapper
lifesnapper e2 Member 8lifesnapper vcard England1 Constructive Critique Points
30 Jan 2013 - 6:21 PM

Brilliant, V2 for me Nathan.

John Smile

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Philip_H
Philip_H  2 United Kingdom
30 Jan 2013 - 6:27 PM

V2 has the slight edge for me - but both are beautifully moody and atmospheric.

P.

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JohnChambersPhotography

Yes sod it who needs them anyway Nathan lol, v2 my fav lovely colour and so well composed.

John

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danbrann
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30 Jan 2013 - 7:12 PM

Of the two I prefer V2 Nathan.

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meniko
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30 Jan 2013 - 7:14 PM

V2 for me Nathan
prefer the stronger colours
and the smooth light
meniko

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netta1234
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30 Jan 2013 - 8:30 PM

A beautiful set that I like verry much.And Nathen I dont know the Rules I must be braking them every day in my images as I've never been told what they are.
NettaSmileSmileSmileSmileSmileSmileSmileSmileSmileSmileSmileSmileGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrin

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jasonrwl
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30 Jan 2013 - 9:06 PM

Excellent shot Nathan - v2 for me
Jason

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RockArea
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30 Jan 2013 - 10:34 PM

I like rules, they keep things tidy! For goodness sake, Nathan, get back in line and stop being creative!

David

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aniamoore
aniamoore  2 United Kingdom
30 Jan 2013 - 10:49 PM

Rules? What rules, Nathan?TongueTongueTongueTongueTongue Love the light!Smile
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xwang
xwang  531 forum posts7 Constructive Critique Points
30 Jan 2013 - 10:51 PM

I prefer V2,it seemed brighter.. I can't see wellGrin
Yes, sod the rules.

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WesternRed
WesternRed e2 Member 3WesternRed vcard Australia
30 Jan 2013 - 11:33 PM

Your persistence has turned out a beautiful shot but it is best not to overdo things as V2
shows this. You guessed it V2 is my choice. Well done. WesternRed.

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Chinga
Chinga e2 Member 3Chinga vcard United Kingdom
31 Jan 2013 - 6:31 AM

Love the image... Wouldn't even beguin to guess what rules have been broken here!
Well seen and well done! IB

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RuthyJ
RuthyJ  8 England
31 Jan 2013 - 6:28 PM

And thats what you get for breaking rules!!! Two great shots. Love them Nathan.

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evelen
evelen  9 England
31 Jan 2013 - 6:29 PM

two excellent shots .
eve.Smile

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LexEquine
LexEquine  8 United States19 Constructive Critique Points
31 Jan 2013 - 8:48 PM

'Superlative scenic Photography!' ~ LEx Wink

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RobinF
RobinF  883 forum posts England1 Constructive Critique Points
1 Feb 2013 - 5:12 PM

V2 is particularly awesome as far as I am concerned Nathan, I don't do 'rules', I just do what I want. Sometimes my stuff sells sometimes it doesn't. But the only way I know how to do photography, is to do what I like. so 'bleahh' to rules an' stuff (he said maturely).

kind regards,

Robin

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Jocelia
Jocelia e2 Member 3Jocelia vcard Australia1 Constructive Critique Points
3 Feb 2013 - 7:02 AM

V2 for me Nathan I love what it has done, good on ya..

Jocelia

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3 Feb 2013 - 11:30 AM

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