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Image of the Steelworks at Port Talbot at Sunrise yesterday taken from the Wharf.
Thank you for the support on yesterday's image and have a good day all.

Camera:Canon 5D mk 11
Lens:canon 17-40 L
Recording media:RAW (digital)
Title:Steel Town.
Username:Buffalo_Tom Buffalo_Tom
Uploaded:8 Dec 2010 - 6:26 AM
Tags:General, Industry, Landscape / travel, Steelmaking, Steelworks, Sunrise., Toms photo 1405.frost
Votes:68

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CarolG
CarolG e2 Member 7125 forum postsCarolG vcard Greece16 Constructive Critique Points
8 Dec 2010 - 6:31 AM

A fine composition, Tom, love the early morning sunlight highlighting the grass in the foreground. Carol

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madbilly
madbilly  5 England4 Constructive Critique Points
8 Dec 2010 - 6:42 AM

Beautiful colour and tones, a really pleasant image

Bill

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paulknight
8 Dec 2010 - 7:11 AM

You have made something beautiful out of a steel mill. That is a notable achievement.

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Lou_Pink
Lou_Pink e2 Member 5Lou_Pink vcard Northern Ireland6 Constructive Critique Points
8 Dec 2010 - 7:13 AM

Excellent comp, I love the foreground detail against the fabulous sunset, super shot

Lou

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andylea
andylea e2 Member 537 forum postsandylea vcard United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
8 Dec 2010 - 8:05 AM

fantastic light tom top shot Wink
andy

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dven
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8 Dec 2010 - 8:05 AM

A brilliant well lit image,

dven

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Scottishlandscapes
Scottishlandscapes e2 Member 968 forum postsScottishlandscapes vcard Scotland35 Constructive Critique Points
8 Dec 2010 - 8:20 AM

Wonderful light across the frosty fg.

Dougie

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cassiecat
cassiecat  539 forum posts England46 Constructive Critique Points
8 Dec 2010 - 8:28 AM

nice light through the smoke and on the frost. the buildings are leaning to the left.lesley

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SGIBBONS
SGIBBONS  556 forum posts United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
8 Dec 2010 - 8:32 AM

Lovely light on the FG

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tressypittkerby

Great shot with beautiful lighting.
Tress

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mitchy81
mitchy81  5 England18 Constructive Critique Points
8 Dec 2010 - 8:57 AM

Bit of distortion to the buildings I feel, yet still a very nice image.
Phil

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Buffalo_Tom
Buffalo_Tom e2 Member 72322 forum postsBuffalo_Tom vcard Wales9 Constructive Critique Points
8 Dec 2010 - 9:19 AM

Distortion yes.......that is the nature of the 17-40 lens unfortunately.I have tried to correct the buildings but the horizon would have been wayout.
Anyway people seem to like this picture.
Thank you very much all.
Tom.

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Alan_Coles
8 Dec 2010 - 9:58 AMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Can't say I miss the place Tom but good memories of some lovely colour on the way to and from work...captured just as I remebered it. Good compositionand good colour.

I would say it is possible to correct the buildings but my skills in ps are very limited..I would suggest some critique from people's method's would help....Cassiecat does lots of vertical / horizontals in her building images. I had a go at the Select all / Edit / Transform / Distortion advice that Platchet gave me the other day..it was better but still not correct.

Like yourself I am a fairly new owner of the 5D2 and this weekend I have had my 1st real chance to do some landscapes with it...and was disappointed at my results. I was not aware there are banding issues with the camera not having seen any before but in this image I think I see some of the issues I have had myself...particularly in the reeds and the building - when viewed large I believe there are some banding lines?. Interested to know if you have noticed any of this?

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Richsr
Richsr e2 Member 790 forum postsRichsr vcard England205 Constructive Critique Points
8 Dec 2010 - 11:10 AM

Like the composition and good light/ colours Tom, agree that the building are slightly out but the foreground subject is strong enough to hold your attention.
Good capture.
regards Richard

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taggart
taggart e2 Member 942 forum poststaggart vcard United States12 Constructive Critique Points
8 Dec 2010 - 12:38 PM

OH, My What a glorious morning!

Jennnn

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mikbee
mikbee e2 Member 7mikbee vcard Scotland7 Constructive Critique Points
8 Dec 2010 - 1:23 PM

A good warm glow to this one.Good shot.I don't have any problem with converging verticals.I understand the need for straight verticals in a publication or whatever,but for this site I like to see a variety of takes for buildings !!
Mick.

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DRicherby
DRicherby  5269 forum posts United Kingdom725 Constructive Critique Points
8 Dec 2010 - 2:49 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Buffalo_Tom wrote:
> Distortion yes.......that is the nature of the 17-40 lens unfortunately.


Not really, no. The 17-40mm has some barrel distortion at the wide end and corresponding pincushion at the long end but that's not much of an issue unless you have straight lines close to and roughly parallel to the edges of the frame: such lines will bow outwards a little at the wide end and inwards at the long end of the focal length range.

Here, the main effect is divergence of the verticals: that is, vertical lines in the scene are being rendered as diagonals that spread out towards the top of the frame. This not a lens defect and you'll see this with any lens, including your own eyes. It is caused by the camera being tilted downwards; the opposite effect is that, when you look up at a tall building from the street, the vertical lines appear to lean inwards. The effect is somewhat accentuated by wide-angle lenses but this is only because verticals farther from the centre of the frame lean more and wide-angle lenses include more stuff farther from the centre.

In this image, the perspective is rather off-putting because, although the foreground plant is a strong subject, essentially all of the verticals are in the top-left quadrant. This means that they're all leaning to the left, which makes it look like the camera wasn't level. There are three possible solutions (which can, of course, be applied in combination).

Get down lower and hold the camera level. That will, of course, affect the composition of the shot but, in this case, that would push the foreground plant farther into the sky, so I don't think that would hurt.

Apply a software perspective correction. Probably not an option in this case as you end up having to crop the image so you'd probably end up losing bits of the steel works. Framing the shot wider than you think you need gives you more scope for this kind of editing.

Spend a few grand on tilt-shift lenses — you'll need the 17mm, 24mm and 45mm versions to give you the same range as your 17-40mm. Wink These allow you to hold the camera level but tilt the lens downwards to get the composition you want without the converging/diverging perspective. Lensbabys work on the same principle and are much cheaper but not designed to give quite the same quality of results. Smile

thevalleywalker wrote:
> when viewed large I believe there are some banding lines?


I'm not sure what you mean. I don't see any posterization (as in the lower cat image on this Wikipedia page but, if that's what you're seeing in your own photos, the usual cause is over-processing of JPEG files. For example, JPEG can essentially only represent 256 shades of any colour and a typical sky would only contain a fairly restricted range of these — in this case, about 100-150, where 0 is the darkest (actually pure black) and 255 is the pure colour.

When you make adjustments such as levels, curves or shadows and highlights that have a big effect on the image, this limited range of tones hurts you. In the original image, the colours are still in bands but a band of tone 100 next to 101, next to 102 and so on, looks like a smooth transition However, if you were to spread the range of 100-150 out to 50-200 (for example, by making a big curves adjustment), the bands start to become visible. Everything that's a single tone in the original image will be a single in the processed image: the software can't break up the band of tone 100 so it maps the whole of it to tone 50. The whole of tone 101 gets sent to 53 and the whole of 102 gets sent to 56. But there's a noticeable difference between tones 50, 53 and 56 so now you start to see the bands.

The solution to this is to shoot in RAW or to avoid big adjustments to the image in processing.

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Buffalo_Tom
Buffalo_Tom e2 Member 72322 forum postsBuffalo_Tom vcard Wales9 Constructive Critique Points
8 Dec 2010 - 5:12 PM

That is some explanation Dave and Blimey who do you think I am Rothschild...spend a couple of grand nice if I had it.It is a raw image and yes I may have overcooked the shadow and highlight slider.
Thanks for your time.

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LesF
LesF  7175 forum posts8 Constructive Critique Points
8 Dec 2010 - 6:19 PM

That's some glow Tom, foreground is lite superbly

LesF

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Platchet
Platchet  7 Wales8 Constructive Critique Points
8 Dec 2010 - 6:42 PM

OK the building is a little tilted but.......I bloody love it Tom.
Gets the rare Platchet award. Smile Smile Smile
Gazza

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Eviscera
Eviscera  71093 forum posts United Kingdom149 Constructive Critique Points
8 Dec 2010 - 7:12 PM

Good juxtaposition and light (steelwork hot vs icy foreground) works real well mate.

Rather an arty study , controlling the elements. Lovely image !

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dathersmith
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8 Dec 2010 - 7:14 PM

Lovely tones in this Tom.

Darren.

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DRicherby
DRicherby  5269 forum posts United Kingdom725 Constructive Critique Points
8 Dec 2010 - 7:14 PM

Buffalo_Tom wrote:
> who do you think I am Rothschild...spend a couple of grand


You mean my hopes that you'd buy one for me, too, are going to come to nothing? Oh well. It was worth a try. Grin

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jammbulator
8 Dec 2010 - 7:58 PM

LOL great chat above dudes

Love this pic

Jamm

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beckas
beckas  10 United States1 Constructive Critique Points
9 Dec 2010 - 3:47 PM

Wonderful image. The light is quite magical.

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12 Dec 2010 - 8:48 PM

Wonderful light and composition Tom

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redmist  8 United Kingdom
7 Jan 2011 - 12:36 PM

This is awesome and makes me envious. Wonderful capture. Must get to bed earlier to catch a sunrise, but Adobe photoshop is so addictive at 2.00am in the morning LOL

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