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A shot from Saturdays shoot with Debbie & Jen

Constructive comments wlelcome.

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Camera:Nikon D90 Check out Nikon Nation!
Lens:Nikkor 18-200mm F3.5-5.6 G ED-IF AF-S VR DX Check out Nikon Nation!
Recording media:JPEG (digital)
Title:The Girls
Username:Iain_C Iain_C
Uploaded:13 Aug 2009 - 11:17 AM
Tags:Flash / lighting, Nude / glamour
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kaybee
kaybee  103823 forum posts Scotland24 Constructive Critique Points
13 Aug 2009 - 12:12 PM

Shame the elbow has been clipped

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Iain_C
Iain_C  5 Scotland3 Constructive Critique Points
13 Aug 2009 - 12:23 PM

I know i wish i had a 100% viewfinder it would be easier to avoid these type of mistakes

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GeorgeMSmith
13 Aug 2009 - 2:23 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

This looks very well done to me Iain. The likes of Rolando Gomez will often cut elbows off and I think the close crop with the high key background helps avoid too much bright white in the frame. Importantly, Jen's stance provides a good S-curve and both models are very fit. One tip I have read is that the hands placed flat on the hip to enhance the curve is preferred. I think that if Debbie had her right knee bent her hip could have been a little forward and matched Jen's pose also. These comments are just what I have read lately so I am no expert but overall, this is a good glamour shot imo.
George

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Iain_C
Iain_C  5 Scotland3 Constructive Critique Points
13 Aug 2009 - 2:26 PM

Thanks for the feedback George i will try to remember this in future Smile

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wasper
wasper e2 Member 8532 forum postswasper vcard Ireland1 Constructive Critique Points
13 Aug 2009 - 2:43 PM

There are no technical problems. But the models are too mechanical. They are both doing the same hand pulling the underwear thing. I would like to see a better pose.

Last Modified By wasper at 13 Aug 2009 - 2:44 PM

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roxpix
roxpix  102236 forum posts Scotland11 Constructive Critique Points
13 Aug 2009 - 4:41 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

In my opinion it is just niggling details from what is overall a good shot (and the elbow isnít one of them)

As indicated, I think the model on the left should adopt a similar posture to the right model (for s shape) however if both are to be looping underwear then the model on the left has executed this better, with the right models hand seemingly strained/reluctant to touch her own leg while model on left seems more at ease with this.

Right hand model seems more aware of the camera (with the benefit of the overall pose) while left model seems more relaxed and adds a natural feel to her pose

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Iain_C
Iain_C  5 Scotland3 Constructive Critique Points
13 Aug 2009 - 4:47 PM

I agree with what your all saying thank you for taking the time to give constructive feedback i will do my best to remember and impliment these improvements in future shots.

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richard20d
13 Aug 2009 - 8:13 PM

I just think the image looks forced and not natural. Both girls look uncomfortable and not relaxed. The girl on the right look as though she is breathing in and a little stiff. Its only my opinion as to what I see in the image.

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gary_d
gary_d e2 Member 6534 forum postsgary_d vcard Wales13 Constructive Critique Points
14 Aug 2009 - 12:07 AM

Not being an expert or making out to be all I see is a lovely image. - gary

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CSuk
CSuk  5 United Kingdom33 Constructive Critique Points
14 Aug 2009 - 2:51 AM

Everything that George said and 1 more...take out the knickers elastic line on her skin in photoshop.
Thanks 4 the share Smile

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richard20d
14 Aug 2009 - 8:51 AM

Ian, what you mean is,...... I will have fallen in line with the majority of people in here and not said what I want ...........but what people want to hear.
That will never happen. I'm not here to be liked, make friends, or impress anyone with lies, or make out I'm someone I'm not, so dont get too excited.
But thanks for your interest anyway

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Iain_C
Iain_C  5 Scotland3 Constructive Critique Points
14 Aug 2009 - 9:27 AM

Richard it's not about falling into line you have your opinion which is fine usually negative where my attempts are concerned but fine.
But the idea behind being constructive about it is yes be your usual self and pick out the faults but after your done picking out the faults offer suggestions on improvement.
Offering suggestions for improvement wouldn't be falling into line or sucking up or anything like that it would show that you actually know what youíre talking about rather than coming across as an arrogant person who just likes to have a pop at those less experienced than you.

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witchcraft
14 Aug 2009 - 9:37 AM


Quote: I just think the image looks forced and not natural. Both girls look uncomfortable and not relaxed. The girl on the right look as though she is breathing in and a little stiff. Its only my opinion as to what I see in the image.

Sums up what I see too - sorry, I think that rates as constructive feedback, though I do like the lighting.

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Iain_C
Iain_C  5 Scotland3 Constructive Critique Points
14 Aug 2009 - 9:52 AM

It may sum up what you both see but it doesn't offer anything in the way of improvement.
Just look at the comments from GeorgeMSmith, Roxpix & CSuk they see the flaws and they offer suggestions on how to improve the image.
I have only been attempting this kind of photography since April this year and photography as a whole since January this year, I joined this site because I was told by another member that there are a lot of good experienced photographers on here who would offer suggestions on how to improve.
Personally I don't view anyone who comes along and does nothing but pick fault with no improvement suggestions to be acting constructively

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richard20d
14 Aug 2009 - 9:56 AM

Here we go again. You must be able to see that the image looks forced. Before you upload it have a good look at it and decide if you think it looks right and ask the girls what they think. Look at the faces they look as if they are frozen and have no real interest in what they are doing. Try and get them to relax as they look as if they cant wait to get out of there. I'm not having a pop at you so dont be so sensative. People on here will tell you all day long your work is great even when its not. Look at your work and if you are happy with it the so be it. If I were to offer suggestions on improvements I would say look for other girls or models who are interested in having thier photos taken, or try and make these two more relaxed especially the young lady on the left. George is a nice guy and is also learning from people on here. His work improves all the time and has become a favorite of quite a few people on here. I think one of the main reasons he is so popular is his wife is so beautiful and looks good in a good shot. But George will also tell you he has a long way to go but he is picking things up quite quickly.

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Iain_C
Iain_C  5 Scotland3 Constructive Critique Points
14 Aug 2009 - 10:22 AM

There you go Richard that wasn't so hard now was it? Now you even have a little blue medal next to your name to prove that you can be constructive.

I also admit that I have a long way to go I upload images here to get a feel as to whether Iím heading in the right direction or not.
I don't have the time to go to college to learn photography properly as Iím a full time Police Officer, there are only so many books you can read on the subject before you begin to think they are all starting to sound the same so other than posting images on here for suggestions on how to improve I can't really think of another way of getting better.

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johnnyboy114
14 Aug 2009 - 12:56 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

I have looked at this image a few times now and come back on occasion to see what people said about it before I said anything. Now, I am no expert and also, like yourself, I am learning the art, but not quite at the pace I would like to. But I can see criticism and what people have said is kinda true. I don't think Richard was being negative as such on his original criticism, I just think he was pointing out what others were thinking too. If it was me and I had seen Richards criticism, negative or not, I would have seen it as constructive either way. He says that the models don't look relaxed....well, I would have seen that as impetus to get them to relax. He said that the girl on the right looked like she was holding her breath.....then I would have taken that on and got her to not hold her breath......and so on. Criticism can be taken in many ways when it written down and no visual cue is given to interpret those remarks and hence when someone who is actually giving genuine criticism, it can be taken the wrong way. It may well be that Richard is a very nice guy, but gets jumped on whenever he says anything, who knows? I don't know him, neither do any others. But I do think what he said has valid points.

It has the making of a very, very nice photo, but all above that has been said from everyone, including Richard, is very valid. Now, thats not knocking you down at all, far from it and shouldn't be taken personally. Like you said, its a nice site with some nice people on here who are here to comment. All comments should be taken with interest, negative or positive and build from that. And text is very bad at conveying intention, always remember that.

As for my criticism of the image, well I would like to see just a tiny little bit more light on the faces as the background tends to wash them out a little. I found this out on my own studio shoot a little while ago. A reflector a little closer would have helped this. Also, a smile or some kind of emotion in the faces of the girls would have helped this as there is a little bit of "roboticness" about them. They could be mannequins. A look, a slight movement, a sideways glance, looking at each other.....all these things come with time and confidence. In this kind of shoot, its not about just getting the shot. The photography is secondary as you are putting girls in a situation and asking them to act or perform things they wouldn't even necessarily do with their other halves, in an unfamiliar setting. Make them comfortable, talk to them, relax them and you will see them melt into the shoot. Again, I learned that actually taking the shot is about 10% of a model studio shoot, 90% is rapport. Thats all this shot needed. I am sure you have it, but the image doesn't bring this out. It will come......

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lurksalot
lurksalot  7332 forum posts England1 Constructive Critique Points
14 Aug 2009 - 11:47 PM


Quote: I know i wish i had a 100% viewfinder it would be easier to avoid these type of mistakes

stand a bit further back or use a wider lens .

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sidaorb  83857 forum posts England2 Constructive Critique Points
20 Aug 2009 - 7:28 PM

I will post this here so there is no confusion.

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