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Would it have been any better if the car wasn't there?

Brand:NIKON
Camera:Nikon Coolpix S6 Check out Nikon Nation!
Recording media:JPEG (digital)
Date Taken:28 Apr 2012 - 1:03 PM
Focal Length:5.8mm
Lens Max Aperture:f/3.0
Aperture:f/8.5
Shutter Speed:1/113sec
Exposure Comp:0.0
ISO:50
Exposure Mode:Program AE
Metering Mode:Multi-segment
Flash:Off, Did not fire
Title:The L S Lowry centre Salford Quays
Username:jimmy-walton jimmy-walton
Uploaded:29 Apr 2012 - 11:00 AM
Tags:Architecture, Lowry center
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Trev_B
Trev_B e2 Member 7110 forum postsTrev_B vcard England65 Constructive Critique Points
29 Apr 2012 - 12:11 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Hi Jimmy... I don't know how much you know about or even use Photoshop or other manipulation softwares. However you image could do with some cleaning up and straightening. So with the use of the Clone and Transform tools I have done a quick mod to your image, if you have not used them before give them a whirls as they are both fun and rewarding.

I have just noticed the lean I have given the lamp post.... which proves how important it is to have a good look at the image before uploadWink

Trev

Last Modified By Trev_B at 29 Apr 2012 - 12:14 PM

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jimmy-walton
29 Apr 2012 - 12:27 PM

Hi Trev. Thanks for that. I hadn't noticed the buildings leaning before you mentioned it.. There is a Straighten tool in picassa that I have used and it seems to work quite well..Your version is better to look at for being straightened..#thanks for the tip

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Steve-T
Steve-T  751 forum posts England66 Constructive Critique Points
29 Apr 2012 - 4:53 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

It looks better without the car - as in Trevs mod. As a record of the Lowry Centre I would say it was fine. In terms of improvement I would say it needs more of the photographer in it. By that I mean your interpretation of the seen - may be an unusual angle, exceptional light or an abstraction of the building. For example the textures, angles and shapes of the building lend themselves to close in (via zoom) work. Having said this, it is far easier to advise this than to do it and that I guess is the challenge of photography! Steve

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jimmy-walton
29 Apr 2012 - 5:41 PM

I agree it looks better without the car.. Trev did a good job of removing it...I'm only a happy snapper and this scene presented itself as we walked by..There were some other photographers about with expensive looking gear.. I am far too self conscious
about taking photos and usually just grab a shot when it presents itself like this one did.
thanks for your comments jim

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Jestertheclown
29 Apr 2012 - 10:39 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

I've uploaded a slightly different take on it to Trev.
What you have here is lens distortion rather than it just not being straight.
You could correct the verticals a bit but it won't rectify all of the leaning elements as they're at differing distances from the camera and therefore leaning at different angles.
I've cropped, not quite successfully, the grey building on the RHS and corrected, to a certain extent, the pink building. The more you pull the buildings, the more the lamppost leans over. I think that it's a situation where correcting verticals isn't really going to succeed.
We see perspective and foreshortening in reality anyway, so I'm not keen on removing them artificially.
I also cropped the bottom and LHS, which gets rid of the railing and the distorted area on the left.
I can see why Trev decided to remove the car but I've left it.
I think that a person walking their dog might have been more photogenic but it does make something of a focal point!
Hope this helps.
Bren.

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puertouk
puertouk  31082 forum posts United Kingdom17 Constructive Critique Points
30 Apr 2012 - 12:55 AM

Hi Jimmy, I've removed the leaning tower of Pisa building on the right, the vehicle and the barriers on the bottom. A few adustments on highlights and shadows and hopefully you will think it's OK.
Cheers
Stephen

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jimmy-walton
30 Apr 2012 - 5:56 PM

Thanks for all your efforts and really I appreciate them.
When seen individually all the modifications look fine,it is only when compared side by side that the differences become an issue.. Originally I was afraid the car would spoil the shot but as Bren says it adds a focal point, if not an ideal one..
One thing we all agree on is the leaning tower of Pisa which definitely had to go or be straightened.
Thanks for all your help I have learned a lot about perspective and transformation from your comments, and I will definitely upload more shots to the critique gallery.

jim

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DRicherby
DRicherby  6269 forum posts United Kingdom725 Constructive Critique Points
30 Apr 2012 - 9:12 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

jestertheclown wrote:
Quote: What you have here is lens distortion rather than it just not being straight.
You could correct the verticals a bit but it won't rectify all of the leaning elements as they're at differing distances from the camera and therefore leaning at different angles.

Sort of. The leaning of the verticals isn't a distortion introduced by the lens; rather, it's a feature of the point of view. Verticals will lean inwards with any lens, including your own eyes, whenever that lens is angled upwards. You can see it by looking up at a tall building, for example. It's also not really caused by the differing distances from the camera but, rather, differing horizontal distances from the centre of the image. A vertical line in the centre of the image will stay vertical when you tilt the camera up; verticals will lean inwards progressively more as you move towards the edge of the frame, regardless of how far away from you they are. For example, the lamp post is leaning by the same amount as the join between the red and black parts of the building behind it, because they're the same distance across the image from the centre: it doesn't matter that the building is farther back.

Dave,

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