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When I came across this path on a walk one sunday morning I knew I had to make an image and it would have to be a mono.
Two versions uploaded. I am curious to know which version you lot think is the stronger.
Derek

Camera:Canon EOS 5D MkII
Lens:EF24-105mm F/4L IS USM
Recording media:RAW (digital)
Title:The path
Username:derekhansen derekhansen
Uploaded:17 Jul 2014 - 11:03 PM
Tags:Black & white, General, Kent, Knole park, Landscape / travel, Sevenoaks
Votes:70
Voters:flowerpower59 · kojak · billydo · Irishkate · MalcolmM · fazzer · RobboB · djh698 · Mirec · Benlib · gwynn56 · nonur · Paintman · phillG · Nikonuser1 · RysiekJan · Armakk · jovanovic · andylea · bluesandtwos · janlea · Diggeo · answersonapostcard · Richsr · franken · mrswoolybill · Griff2012 · woolybill1 · sherlob · TanyaH · almiles · viscostatic · PhilSingleton · mex · SlowSong · chris-p · Greyheron · WhiteRose1 · Ross_D · Niknut · Baz72 · billmyl · Jon.H · dark_lord · Stumars · whatriveristhis · ajtorres · jasonrwl · Cliff1944 · DavidMosey · HairyB · Tynnwrlluniau · banehawi · cheesey · dudler · MrBMorris · helenlinda · vickyf · rontear · SWMahy · charlotte · Rende · stevenb · glenalva · basith · marktc · HJafari · Consulo · dmhuynh72 · clicknimagine ·
Views:343
Unique Views:166
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kojak
kojak Plus Member 2kojak vcard United Kingdom
17 Jul 2014 - 11:07 PM

V2 for me

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billydo
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17 Jul 2014 - 11:10 PM

Love this scene. V2 for me too...


Neal.

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Irishkate
Irishkate Plus Member 432 forum postsIrishkate vcard United Kingdom80 Constructive Critique Points
17 Jul 2014 - 11:13 PM

Stands out from the crowd. Makes an amazing impact.
I actually like the stark white on the road in V1.
Kate GrinGrinGrin

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MalcolmM
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17 Jul 2014 - 11:19 PM

Ex. mono & V2 for me....

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fazzer
fazzer Plus Member 644 forum postsfazzer vcard United Kingdom6 Constructive Critique Points
17 Jul 2014 - 11:22 PM

definitely v1 for me Derek its beautifully classy, I think losing the brooding clouds at the top gives a cleaner and stronger comp...both superb but v1 is a creative piece of art SmileSmile

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Benlib
Benlib  33 Constructive Critique Points
18 Jul 2014 - 1:25 AM

Like version #2, some how, feels more complete

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nonur
nonur Plus Member 6nonur vcard Turkey9 Constructive Critique Points
18 Jul 2014 - 2:27 AM

Excellent!

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Nikonuser1
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18 Jul 2014 - 6:32 AM

Excellent capture, V2 for meSmile

Cliff

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derekhansen
derekhansen Plus Member 6200 forum postsderekhansen vcard United Kingdom24 Constructive Critique Points
18 Jul 2014 - 8:26 AM

Many thanks for the GEA Rob. A lovely surprise.

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Richsr
Richsr Plus Member 890 forum postsRichsr vcard England215 Constructive Critique Points
18 Jul 2014 - 8:40 AM

Both work in their own way Derek, and for me V1 has the stronger lead in V2 has a good balance and may be more pleasing to the eye.
Good choice of mono too
Regards Richard

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franken
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18 Jul 2014 - 8:44 AM

Definitely version 2 for me.

Ken

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Griff2012
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18 Jul 2014 - 9:29 AM

A small crop, yet it gives a very different mood between the two images. I really like V2 for it's composition - it's a very good image and fits the frame perfectly. V1 has a darker, looming feel to it (yet the moody clouds are removed - don't you just love those counter-intuitive surprises). Smile

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sherlob
sherlob Plus Member 92564 forum postssherlob vcard United Kingdom126 Constructive Critique Points
18 Jul 2014 - 9:47 AM

Composition and post processing combined to make a sublime image. I wish it were mine.

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TanyaH
TanyaH Critique Team 12955 forum postsTanyaH vcard United Kingdom199 Constructive Critique Points
18 Jul 2014 - 10:39 AM

For me, V1 is the stronger of the two ... it has much more presence (although they're both beautiful). There's such a stark simplicity about the whole composition; it's sublime and dreamlike and the way you've processed it works amazingly well. It wouldn't be the same in colour at all.

And yes, I also wish it was mine! Grin

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almiles
almiles  538 forum posts United Kingdom102 Constructive Critique Points
18 Jul 2014 - 10:55 AM

Striking effective work which has a surrealist feel thanks to the perfect and bright lines of the path and the high contrast obscuring most of the texture in the grass which might distract from the vector. I think V2 is the most effective. All the elements have more room to breathe, V1 is just a bit claustrophobic for my liking. In V2 you can see how the the cloud shapes above the trees echo the shape of the foliage and that adds further interest and vieweing pleasure.

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PhilSingleton
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18 Jul 2014 - 11:22 AM

Two great images Derek. I personally prefer V2, where the trees are smaller on the horizon, therefore look further away, thereby giving the image more depth than V1. The clouds in V2 also offer greater interest. Congratulations on your awards.

Phil.

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SlowSong
SlowSong Plus Member 65132 forum postsSlowSong vcard England29 Constructive Critique Points
18 Jul 2014 - 11:49 AM

V2 for me. I love the longer lead in and composition. I think the horizon needs a touch of straightening though.

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chris-p
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18 Jul 2014 - 12:19 PM

Partial to v2 for me Derek..

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derekhansen
derekhansen Plus Member 6200 forum postsderekhansen vcard United Kingdom24 Constructive Critique Points
18 Jul 2014 - 1:16 PM

Thank you everyone especially Adam and Alan for their awards.

Interesting that the majority opinion seems to favour V2. My personal preference is for V1..but only just.

The colour file really dosnt look that interesting to be honest.
I had seen this view on a previous walk and had a clear vision in my head of what I wanted the finished image to look like. So when I visited again and saw the colour and light was quite bland when I took this but I was only interested in the composition/shapes so that wasn't a problem.
The post processing was fairly quick involving cloning out another walker and a couple of bushes and then boosting the contrast and adding a subtle sepia filter.

Last Modified By derekhansen at 18 Jul 2014 - 1:19 PM

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WhiteRose1
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18 Jul 2014 - 1:37 PM

v2 for me as well, Derek, as Richard said, it is more pleasing to the eye with a better balance. Adding the extra sky gives a darkness to the top edge keeping your eye in the frame, and the extra height emphasises the sinuosity of the path.

Dave

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Ross_D
Ross_D  1344 forum posts United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
18 Jul 2014 - 3:23 PM

I'm a real sucker for lead-in lines (although mine tend to be of the ' straight line to the horizon' variety - I have a project on the go on this very subject). However, there is something very soothing about an elongated 'S' (IMO anyway Smile) and the way it leads the eye in. V2 is my favourite - well worth a vote!

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Niknut
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18 Jul 2014 - 5:04 PM

Cracking shot !!....lovely lead in via the winding path....but the sky in V2 adds a lot to the image for me !!!!.Smile

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Baz72
Baz72  630 forum posts Scotland
18 Jul 2014 - 6:39 PM

Tidy photo Derek....love that never ending lead in !!

Brian

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billmyl
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18 Jul 2014 - 7:36 PM

Both excellent but slight preference for V2

Bill

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Stumars
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18 Jul 2014 - 8:50 PM

Simple and beautiful Derek. Well done

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whatriveristhis
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18 Jul 2014 - 9:39 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Very difficult to choose, Derek, as both have real merit. That sky in V2 is certainly very dramatic the way you've processed it, but for me it's almost as though there are two different styles competing... a clean and detached graphic study against the emotive drama of the sky. That kind of conflict creates a tension that can work, I'm just not so sure that it does here, for me at least.

I do like the slightly darker processing of V2, and I think the proportions of the frame suit the image better, but on balance I think I'd go for V1... though maybe crop a bit from the right hand side, say to about half way between the trees and the edge of the frame. That would balance the horizon and give you the better proportions of V2. It would also transfer some of the weight of the path away from the bottom edge which would improve the balance further.
But they really are both good. You pays yer money, you takes yer choice.

Alan

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jasonrwl
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18 Jul 2014 - 11:04 PM

v2 I think but I can't put my finger on why
Jason

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jasonrwl
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18 Jul 2014 - 11:06 PM

Deliberately hadn't looked at what others thought but seems there is quite a strong preference for v2

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derekhansen
derekhansen Plus Member 6200 forum postsderekhansen vcard United Kingdom24 Constructive Critique Points
18 Jul 2014 - 11:11 PM

Thanks for taking the time to comment in depth Alan. I see your point ref cropping from the right on V1. I will give that a go.
Derek

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Cliff1944
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19 Jul 2014 - 10:05 AM

V2 for me.
Cliff

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DavidMosey
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19 Jul 2014 - 11:00 AM

Definitely V2 for me-- though both are brilliant.

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Tynnwrlluniau
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19 Jul 2014 - 12:03 PM

Both really excellent but has to be v2 for me for all the reasons already noted.
Alun

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derekhansen
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19 Jul 2014 - 1:49 PM

Thank you to everyone who has taken the trouble to vote and comment and special thanks to Alun for his UA.

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sherlob
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I think Alan puts it very well when he says...


Quote: That sky in V2 is certainly very dramatic the way you've processed it, but for me it's almost as though there are two different styles competing... a clean and detached graphic study against the emotive drama of the sky. That kind of conflict creates a tension that can work, I'm just not so sure that it does here, for me at least.

For me V1 of the image has the stronger narrative. It invites me to travel down the path on a journey toward the copse of wood at its end. The light on the wood makes the copse seem enchanting - a place that promises something should I visit it. V2 doesn't add to this narrative, but rather distracts from its simplicity - the wood loses its emphasis and has to fight with the sky for my attention (I agree the sky is well processed in V2).

I am a man of simple pleasures and the more straightforward narrative of V1 wins - for me there is no real question in terms of which is the better version.

Adam

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MrBMorris
MrBMorris  827 forum posts United Kingdom
19 Jul 2014 - 6:26 PM

V1 for myself!

Works really well, great image.

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helenlinda
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19 Jul 2014 - 8:25 PM

I like the softer feel of v1 Derek - what a wonderful find that path was - congratulations on the GEA
Helen

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vickyf
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19 Jul 2014 - 9:36 PM

Striking image with great lead in lines. V1 for me as I personally find V2 over processed.

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SWMahy
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19 Jul 2014 - 10:52 PM

Initially I thought v2 - because it's a great sky and part of me wants to include it, but after flipping between them about 20 times - now I think V1. To me it has a stronger graphic quality and I think Alan makes a very astute comment about the competing styles. I often suffer from the problem of trying to include all the 'nice' bits and my compositions suffer as a result. V1 I think is a simpler, stronger and braver composition. To be honest, I'm not so keen on the gritty nature of the processing - but really that's a minor nit pick. Great work. Smile

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Rende
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20 Jul 2014 - 1:50 PM

Very strong composition Derek, especially V1.
Rende

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marktc
marktc Plus Member 460 forum postsmarktc vcard United Kingdom14 Constructive Critique Points
21 Jul 2014 - 10:16 AM

Morning Derek, I'm sorry I missed this one., it would surely have had my award. I do prefer v1, although I couldn't define why. As always a top class image.

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derekhansen
derekhansen Plus Member 6200 forum postsderekhansen vcard United Kingdom24 Constructive Critique Points
23 Jul 2014 - 1:04 PM

I have only just spotted the HC award. Thank you to the EPZ team for your recognition thats really great to receive.

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chataigner
26 Jul 2014 - 3:58 PM

Splendid images both, but V1 for me, I find the clouds distracting.

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Consulo
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29 Jul 2014 - 11:45 AM

Great shots, Derek, but I think V2 wins out for me.

Michael.

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