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Having a go at a composite. The Owl is one image, trees and eagle a second and the background high ground and sky make 4. I would appreciate any feedback.

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Title:Touch and Go
Username:JFitz JFitz
Uploaded:23 Jul 2012 - 2:21 AM
Tags:Digitally manipulated, Pets / captive animals, Wildlife / nature
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banehawi
banehawi Critique Team 10988 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada2984 Constructive Critique Points
23 Jul 2012 - 2:31 AM

Its well done John, - hard to find fault with the insertion of the Owl. I dont know the relative size f the eagle, but perhaps the eagle and the Owl need to be sized better in relation to each other? For example, the Owl a little smaller, suggesting further back, and leave the eagle the same size? You are in a better position than me to know, so just a suggestion for things to look out for that help make composites real.
The bottom edge of the Owl feathers, - perhaps, and pardon the pun, feather the selection a little more so theres less of a clear line along them?
Direction of light, - an aspect that can be a problem in composites, - looks quite ok here, light is from above for all elements.
The sky perhaps a little suspect, - but a very good effort.



Regards



Willie

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tonyguitar
23 Jul 2012 - 2:43 AM

I see the points Willie makes. For me, the owl is such a wonderful image that the eagle only adds the possibility that a chase is on. The fine scale leaves background is excellent for the owl. I sized up the image and didn't notice any manipulation, so for most viewers this is pretty much flawless. TG

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Tibetan
Tibetan  2 England
23 Jul 2012 - 6:46 AM

A busy day at Heathrow springs to mind, holiday time, personally I think it's great like it, regards Leon.GrinGrinGrinGrinGrin

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NDODS
NDODS e2 Member 43684 forum postsNDODS vcard United Kingdom107 Constructive Critique Points
23 Jul 2012 - 9:54 AM

I can only dream of producing composite images of this quality, so I am unable to comment on their quality at all.

Regards Nathan

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Sooty_1
Sooty_1 Critique Team 41267 forum posts United Kingdom203 Constructive Critique Points
23 Jul 2012 - 11:36 AM

As a composite it's well done, but as an image it's a little lop-sided. All the action is on the left.
I prefer the original (with more judicious crop and possibly replacing the perch with a tree stump). I prefer the clutter-free background as it concentrates on the subject more.

Nick

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Irishkate
Irishkate e2 Member 431 forum postsIrishkate vcard United Kingdom76 Constructive Critique Points
23 Jul 2012 - 11:36 AM

Not having such a critical eye or as much experience as banehawi
I can only salute you.
KateGrin

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pamelajean
pamelajean Critique Team 8831 forum postspamelajean vcard United Kingdom1638 Constructive Critique Points
23 Jul 2012 - 4:52 PM

I like what you have done here. Just one thing, the owl is quite close to your frame edges, and I would like to see a little more space there, especially at the bottom, to maintain the feeling of the owl coming in to land, giving a clean area into which it can move.
Pamela.

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tonyguitar
23 Jul 2012 - 8:11 PM

Nick..[Sooty1] said..[Q] as an image it's a little lop-sided. All the action is on the left. [/Q]

This implies the action , [subject], should be bull's eye center.

Guess there are two groups here. I see a lot of dead center images and always think they should be more 1/3rd left or right depending on front and back of the subject.

Just a matter of taste, I guess. TG

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Sooty_1
Sooty_1 Critique Team 41267 forum posts United Kingdom203 Constructive Critique Points
23 Jul 2012 - 11:25 PM

I wasn't implying that at all. But to me, if the main subject is offset so far to the left, the image needs something to balance it, in this case, maybe having the farther bird on the right instead of the left.
As it is, you can crop a third from the right and improve the balance of the image. Besides, the bird is coming straight for us. If it was moving at an angle you could offset it, but I feel here it needs the impact of being more central.

Just my 2p's worth.

Nick

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JFitz
JFitz e2 Member 6182 forum postsJFitz vcard Ireland3 Constructive Critique Points
23 Jul 2012 - 11:32 PM

My thanks to everyone for your comments, your feedback has been much appreciated. I spent a good bit of time on the selection so i am pleased to be receiving a positive vote of approval with that and with the insertion. I put Owl where the Eagle was looking and lower as he was in "landing " configuration and the large size emphasises the distance between them and also his plumage and feet. I Like the sense of "circuit flying" this image portrays and I felt the space on the right helps to develop this. However I agree with Nick's (Sooty_1) view that the Centered original image is more comfortable to look at when switching between them and Pamela's point on the missing space below him. I have no worthwhile sky pictures so the sky is suspect, darker but no better than the one it replaced but I felt it gave me more scope to match the images. I will have another look at the composition.

JohnSmile

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tonyguitar
23 Jul 2012 - 11:42 PM

Well the debate is fun. When you consider what Andy Worhol sold for big bucks you sometimes think there are no rules or logic to images. TG

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paulbroad
paulbroad  789 forum posts United Kingdom880 Constructive Critique Points
24 Jul 2012 - 7:53 AM

A fine composite, but I would have left the back bird off - it's just not needed, just a better background for the v2 image. I, too, would prefer a little ore room left and below - not dead centre but it is a touch too much left bottom corner.

Or, leave the second bird in, but place it top right third - that would restore balance?

Paul

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