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The photo was taken under the strong light at the same location as one of my previous photo.I tried full flash,backlighting, reduce noise and burn tools etc. to get this stage,but I don't know if I get it right or anything else I can do...All your comments,criticisms and MODs are welcome.Thank you.

Camera:fujifinepix8000
Recording media:JPEG (digital)
Title:Under the light
Username:xwang xwang
Uploaded:8 Mar 2010 - 4:16 PM
Tags:Architecture, General, Landscape / travel
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saeidNL
saeidNL  4 Netherlands3 Constructive Critique Points
8 Mar 2010 - 4:39 PM

nice shot.well done,
saeid

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Carabosse
Carabosse e2 Member 1139385 forum postsCarabosse vcard England269 Constructive Critique Points
9 Mar 2010 - 1:13 AMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 


Quote: I tried full flash,backlighting, reduce noise and burn tools etc. to get this stage,but I don't know if I get it right or anything else I can do...All your comments,criticisms and MODs are welcome.

Hi Xwang! Smile Well you haven't made it easy for yourself or your camera here by shooting not only directly into the sun but including the sun in the photo. This is too much to ask of a digital sensor - particularly one as tiny as that in your Fuji 8000. It just does not have the dynamic range to cope with such bright light and shadow areas and to render both accurately.

Flash is not going to help at all unless you are within about 10 feet of the subject. And you are going to get flare and internal reflections from the lens/aperture - as seen in the picture.

However you can mitigate the problem - slightly - by (for example) using the shadows/highlights tool in PS, which is what I have done in the mod I've uploaded for you.

Hope that helps.

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xwang
xwang  531 forum posts7 Constructive Critique Points
9 Mar 2010 - 8:41 AM

Thank you very much CB for your kind help and MOD.
I learned that I had problems with light,down to the time when I took the photos with my poor knowledge and skills. I also realize that it is important to get it right,that's why I need your expertise.Maybe I demand to much from my little camera ,or too "ambitious" to achieve the impossibilityGrin, no, only wnated to take a photo when I thought it looked nice without thinking too much.
I didn't try shadow/highlight,I can see the houses are brighten up.Thank you so much,very helpful indeed.
Best wishes to you
xiaoli

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metro074
metro074 e2 Member 4metro074 vcard Australia8 Constructive Critique Points
9 Mar 2010 - 9:34 AM

It is a lovely image Xwang. If you have a shade that attaches to your lens this helps too but I have to agree with Carabosse about shooting into the sun and like his mod. Well done
Carol

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xwang
xwang  531 forum posts7 Constructive Critique Points
9 Mar 2010 - 11:09 AM

Thank you Carol.That's very kind of for telling me,I don't have anything apart from this small camera,I even don't know what shade is Grin, please forgive my ignorance...It's nice to know anyway,I'll remember it.Thank you very much.
Best wishes to you.
xiaoli

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DRicherby
DRicherby  5269 forum posts United Kingdom725 Constructive Critique Points
9 Mar 2010 - 11:29 AMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

A lens hood (shade) won't help when the sun is included within the frame. If the sun is in front of you but outside the frame, it is still shining on the front element of the lens, so bouncing light around inside the camera. Some of this will reach the sensor, resulting in a loss of contrast — because stray light is illuminating the parts of the frame that should be dark — and possibly flaring, too. The lens hood prevents this by shading the lens from the direct sunlight and ensuring that the only light that comes into the lens is from the stuff you're trying to photograph. However, if the sun is in the frame, the lens hood isn't providing any shade so doesn't have any effect.

In any case, I don't think that a lens hood is available for the FinePix s8000. Even if there was one, it wouldn't do very much for an 18x zoom lens, because the lens hood mustn't be visible within the shot at the wide end of the zoom range so it can't provide a huge amount of shade. Without a lens hood, the best thing to do if you're shooting close to the sun is to shade the lens with your free hand. Be careful to keep it out of the shot! Smile

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pamelajean Critique Team 8748 forum postspamelajean vcard United Kingdom1575 Constructive Critique Points
9 Mar 2010 - 3:53 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Hi, Xiaoli, I'm back. I often feel that you like an image even though it has obvious faults, and that you'd like to try to improve it, even in a small way, sometimes because you won't get the chance to take it again. I have therefore done a modification that clones out the rainbow effect over the buildings, and will PM you to tell you what I did.
Pamela.

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banehawi
banehawi Critique Team 10777 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada2778 Constructive Critique Points
9 Mar 2010 - 4:46 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Never shoot into the sun, as it can not only damage your sensor, it can damage your eye also!

That lens flare as stated above, and Pamela has done a good job of removing it, - but its better never to include the sun in the first place.

There are situations where you might LIKE lens flare, such as at a concert, where including stage lights can produce very attractive flaring that looks like it belongs.


Regards



Willie

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xwang
xwang  531 forum posts7 Constructive Critique Points
10 Mar 2010 - 12:49 AM

Thank you David for telling me about the technical matters,you are right, FinePix8000 can't fix anything on...I'll try to use my hand instead next time..SmileThank you for your kind help indeed.
Thank you Willie for telling me about the sensor and eye damage,very educational,I won't do it again....Grin thank you so much.
Ahhh...Pamela, It's really nice to know that you are back and well.
Did you enjoy your holiday?We do miss you Smile.Thank you very much for going through all my photos and helping one by one.That's very kind of you indeed.
I put on the MODs for you to have a look, and also the recropped"Heading towards sunset".Should I crop more on the right side?Thank you again.
xiaoli

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pamelajean Critique Team 8748 forum postspamelajean vcard United Kingdom1575 Constructive Critique Points
11 Mar 2010 - 6:51 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

I think you've done a fine job on "Under The Light" in the modification, Xiaoli. It's all good cloning practice. As to "Heading Towards Sunset", I'm so glad you have the original with some more of the tree on the left and extra space on the right. Yes, crop off the other boat and tree on the right, but leave a bit more space for the lamp. Don't include TOO much of the left-hand tree because it's quite a heavy/strong feature.
Pamela.

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xwang
xwang  531 forum posts7 Constructive Critique Points
11 Mar 2010 - 10:24 PM

Thank you ,Pamela.
xaioli

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gerrymac
gerrymac  6 United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2010 - 5:59 PM

Mod 3 is still a pleasing image....a very difficult shot to attempt
Gerry

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xwang
xwang  531 forum posts7 Constructive Critique Points
13 Mar 2010 - 3:59 PM

Thank you Gerry.
xiaoli

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