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Today I thought I would try something totally out of my comfort zone in an area that I know very little about which is BLACK & WHITE or MONO if preferred.
What I am after here is any tips, advice and/or pointers on converting colour pics to mono in Photoshop.

This is a one I took in St. Marks Square, Venice during a very short February visit, the weather was absolutely dreadful with grey, featureless skies, loads of drizzle and dreadful lighting which I found hard to cope with photographically speaking. Not the right time to visit Venice for the very first time on what was meant to be a romantic Anniversary short break combined with the fantastic photo opportunities that Venice is renowned for.
The sun came out on the day we were due to fly back home so I did get a few decent shots which I will upload later, but looking at the 'grey day' shots I think they would all be good candidates for converting to mono.

For this one, I played safe and used a photoshop 'action' to convert the image to mono to start with and then used the traditional dodge and burn technique i.e dodging the highlights and burning the shadows until I thought it looked right, I also tweaked the contrast by applying a slight S shape in 'Curves' then finished with a small amount of 'unsharp mask'. I have included the colour version to give a comparison. (NOTE - I have also added version 2 which is a mod by Albert 'FENTIGER' and have included his comments in the description box).

I think I have made a reasonable job of this but would value your opinion, critiques and comments - and please be as honest as you like because I welcome the feedback. Feel free to do a mod if you would like to and view large if you can spare the extra time.

Thanks for all your clicks and comments on my daffodil, as usual I am really grateful for your input and support on my images.

Fran

Title:Venice
Username:franfoto franfoto
Uploaded:12 Mar 2008 - 1:55 PM
Camera:Canon EOS 350D
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Recording media:RAW (digital)
Tags:Architecture, Black & white, Franfoto, Italy, Landscape / travel, Travel, Venice
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bayleaf
12 Mar 2008 - 1:56 PM
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Pity you only want comments Fran as I would love to have voted on this one.

Super compostion and it looks good in mono Smile

John.

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Fran I agree with John on this... I would haved love to haved voted as well... I personally think you did an excellent job with the image...

cheesey
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12 Mar 2008 - 2:07 PM
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Works for me too. Lovely conversion and great composition.
Cheesey.

I think you've done a good job on a difficult image. The sky, of course, is the awkward bit here because it is so flat. I'm sure there are ways of tweaking it, but at what point does postprocessing become photoshopping?

CarolG
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12 Mar 2008 - 2:16 PM
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I have to say that I much prefer the coloured image, but you have converted it to mono so well, Fran, excellent work. Carol

fentiger
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12 Mar 2008 - 2:50 PM
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Hi Fran I have to say your colour version is very good and I prefer it in colour. If anything I would say that the mono conversion is a little flat. I have done a mod by doing all the levels and curves etc adjustments on the original and then converting to mono using Channel Mixer with 60% red 30% green and 10% blue.

Albert

franfoto
12 Mar 2008 - 3:27 PM
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Thanks Luxaeternam for your mod, a totally different perspective on things I like what you have done with the colour popping and crop. You've seen it with different eyes.
Regards
Fran

Mikelane
12 Mar 2008 - 3:33 PM
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WoW Stunning image fran and what fabulous architecture ,love the mono well captured
Mike

franfoto
12 Mar 2008 - 3:43 PM
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Quote: Hi Fran I have to say your colour version is very good and I prefer it in colour. If anything I would say that the mono conversion is a little flat. I have done a mod by doing all the levels and curves etc adjustments on the original and then converting to mono using Channel Mixer with 60% red 30% green and 10% blue.

This is such useful information for me Albert and the mod you have done is excellent, I can see a massive difference, this is exactly what I am after here. Thanks a million.
Fran

Albert

Carabosse
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12 Mar 2008 - 3:58 PM
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Prefer the colour version. Lighting is a little flat and the verticals converge slightly. I have attempted to address both these issues in the mod I've uploaded.

pamelajean
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12 Mar 2008 - 4:12 PM
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I, too, prefer the colour version and like what CB has achieved in the mod. There is some wonderful detail in the amazing architecture, a real treat. Have always wanted to go to Venice, nearly got there last year......we shall see.

franfoto
12 Mar 2008 - 4:37 PM
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Quote: Prefer the colour version. Lighting is a little flat and the verticals converge slightly. I have attempted to address both these issues in the mod I've uploaded.

Thanks Carabosse for the mod and the information, mod looks good.
Fran

MickyMc
12 Mar 2008 - 4:44 PM
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Colour every time for me. I particularly like the fact that the person is wearing a yellow coat
Mavis

dianah
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12 Mar 2008 - 5:32 PM
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I love the first mono Fran but the subtle colour in version 3 is definiely my favourite..it seems to bring it all to life.
Di

fishy2
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12 Mar 2008 - 7:09 PM
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the shot looks spot on brilliant capture.
jase.

franfoto
12 Mar 2008 - 7:09 PM
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Thanks for all your comments.
I am receiving some really good advice, suggestions and modifications with some excellent feedback via PM's regarding this upload. It's what EPZ is all about and your input is so much appreciated.
Fran

Maiwand
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12 Mar 2008 - 7:50 PM
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Love the shot Fran but I am afraid I am not well enough qualified in Phtoshop to offer any manipulation advice. Looks great to me.
Ron

Hop-A-Long
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12 Mar 2008 - 7:50 PM
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Great images. I must say #1 is my favourite. I think it lends itself very well to a mono conversion. Great composition.
Andy

Looks very exotic, anywhere different is.
They all look similar to me, but clearest in colour to start.
What I would like to do is take out the man with the yellow cagoule, maybe I could try!
Brian.

exposure
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12 Mar 2008 - 8:22 PM
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Lovely detail and tones and composition.
Pauline.

franfoto
12 Mar 2008 - 8:24 PM
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Quote: What I would like to do is take out the man with the yellow cagoule, maybe I could try!
Brian.

Go ahead Brian, have a go.
Fran

franfoto
12 Mar 2008 - 8:33 PM
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Thanks for the mod Andy, see you have also put a bit of interest in that lifeless sky for me.
Thanks again.
Fran

nickyv32
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12 Mar 2008 - 8:49 PM
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Lovely shot, very nice detail, like it. Hope your hubby is better.

How are things with your Mum ?

Nicky

franfoto
12 Mar 2008 - 9:00 PM
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Quote: Lovely shot, very nice detail, like it. Hope your hubby is better.

How are things with your Mum ?

Nicky

Thanks for enquiring Nicky, Mum's doing very well and hubby is much better too.
Bless you for asking.

gerrymac
12 Mar 2008 - 9:57 PM
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I prefer the colour version too,nice subtle tones
Gerry

pluckyfilly
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13 Mar 2008 - 8:34 AM
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I like the 1st and 3rd pic here - love Venice but the day we went I was so ill and couldnt leave the loo, very disappointing trip for me and I didnt realise I was poorly until half way there (it was a pre arranged booking to) I could hardly leave, once there I had to stay the course. Love you pics here - you did well with the conditions you describe

FeatherFriend
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13 Mar 2008 - 2:45 PM
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Think you did a great job on this shot but don't feel qualified to offer any constructive advice. Like the mod by Carabosse.
Geoff.

ade_mcfade
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13 Mar 2008 - 3:37 PM
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2 for me

got more weight, more presence, more depth and balls than the others

Shroomer
13 Mar 2008 - 5:34 PM
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Lovely capture Fran, out of my comfort zone on this, but as soon as I saw it it grabbed me. I have adjusted the odd portrait and know how difficult it can be to get it right.
You'll have to go back out there shoot in Mono with a red filter on.
What a great excuse to revisit
Richard

Shroomer
13 Mar 2008 - 5:46 PM
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Just Modified it ,thought I would have a go and a challenge , hope you like it Fran
Richard

franfoto
13 Mar 2008 - 5:55 PM
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Quote: Just Modified it ,thought I would have a go and a challenge , hope you like it Fran
Richard

Nice mod Richard and thanks for your comments too.

Thanks to all of you for generous time spent on this upload and all your useful suggestions.
Fran

Silverzone
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14 Mar 2008 - 10:34 AM
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Vertion 2 for me, prefer the colour. Sylvia

TelStar
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14 Mar 2008 - 1:06 PM
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Hi Fran. Shame you didn't have good weather, but it's a beautiful place anyway isn't it! I went in early Feb straight after the Carnival and it was gorgeous weather.

I love your subtle colour shot and the space it suggests and also am interested to see the other mods. I've had a go firstly in colour using Elements to enhance the spatial feeling using layers to separate fg and bg using smart blur and unsharp mask. I have then converted the colour version to BW by simply removing the colour.

franfoto
14 Mar 2008 - 1:30 PM
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Quote: TelStar
I've had a go firstly in colour using Elements to enhance the spatial feeling using layers to separate fg and bg using smart blur and unsharp mask. I have then converted the colour version to BW by simply removing the colour.

Many thanks for your mod and the info of how you got there, I will be acting on all this info before uploading my next Venice shot.
Regard
Fran (sorry I don't have your name TelStar)

hwilkinson
15 Mar 2008 - 11:01 AM
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It's a wonderful place. No.2 does the business for me.
Harry

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15 Mar 2008 - 12:29 PM
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beautifully taken. Like # 1 and #3 best. The black and white really shows great contrast.
Well composed too. Excellent job.

Jerry

Great architectural capture.. lots in there

Dont like the security fence Left side

like both your versions .. Good stuff

Skye24Blue
17 Mar 2008 - 11:56 PM
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Very well captured. Excellent in mono.
Mac

rontear
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27 Apr 2008 - 11:37 AM
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As already said, this is worth a vote. Very good atmosphere of Venice. Ron.

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