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I was amused when I took the photo, but it didn't come out as I expected, maybe I had too much faith in photoshop, or the camera couldn't deliver what I wantedGrin, I can't bring the shadow out.
At first I thought the light was beautiful,it seemed that people didn't do anything much,lingering around and enjoying the view, but suddenly I saw a woman coming from the gate way. She was certainly not dressed casually, and she was camera aware.. It seemed that she came to join a group of people, mainly the man with glasses on the right, but he didn't see she was coming, the other two people niticed. The man with baseball hat, maybe not belong to the group, had noticed her for a while, but what she noticed was only my camera, so I clickedGrin
I dind't do any much on the photo, cropped off a single person on other side of the tree and the front ground a bit; put 50% warm filter on; sharpen a bit.
Obviously, she was the centre of the attention, or at least she wanted to be...I should give her a chance. The question is "How?". I tried dodge, level and curve, but she is still in the shadow.
Or I should just leave it, make her as a shadowy, mysterious figure...I don't know who she is, the photo was taken in Breisach.

Brand:Canon
Camera:Canon EOS 50D
Lens:EF-S18-200mm f/3.5-5.6 IS
Recording media:RAW (digital)
Date Taken:23 Oct 2011 - 2:53 PM
Focal Length:135mm
Lens Max Aperture:f/5.7
Aperture:f/9.5
Shutter Speed:1/2000sec
Exposure Comp:0.0
ISO:200
Exposure Mode:Manual
Metering Mode:Partial
Flash:Off, Did not fire
Title:Views
Username:xwang xwang
Uploaded:22 Nov 2011 - 2:29 PM
Tags:Humour / fun, Landscape / travel, Portraits / people
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Jestertheclown
22 Nov 2011 - 2:37 PM

Hi Jasmine,

I've just carried out a very quick mod. using the shadows/highlights tool at what I assume is its default setting since I made no adjustments.
And nothing else.
(But I should have sharpened it.)
Bren.

Last Modified By Jestertheclown at 22 Nov 2011 - 2:37 PM
banehawi
banehawi Critique Team 10781 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada2800 Constructive Critique Points
22 Nov 2011 - 2:37 PM

Just use the Shadow tool in CS4/5. Its under Image>adjustments>shadow/highlight.

Mod had the tree at right cropped, and the image is sharpened a little.

W

Last Modified By banehawi at 22 Nov 2011 - 2:38 PM
saeidNL
saeidNL  4 Netherlands3 Constructive Critique Points
22 Nov 2011 - 2:42 PM

Lovely work and capture,
saeid

lonely_oryx
lonely_oryx e2 Member 661 forum postslonely_oryx vcard England54 Constructive Critique Points
22 Nov 2011 - 3:03 PM

I did a mod using the overlay layer with the brush at 87% opacity.

With a large brush size, I painted over the area with the lady in it.

I repeated this on an second and third overlay layer with the same opacity but on the third layer I brushed over the rest of the picture.

I then flattened all the layers and did some tidying up with the clone tool.

My mod has been quickly done so it is not perfect but I hope you get the general idea.

lonely_oryx
lonely_oryx e2 Member 661 forum postslonely_oryx vcard England54 Constructive Critique Points
22 Nov 2011 - 3:06 PM

On my second mod I just changed my original mod by decreasing brightness -33 and increasing contrast +62

NEWMANP
NEWMANP e2 Member 61583 forum postsNEWMANP vcard United Kingdom574 Constructive Critique Points
22 Nov 2011 - 3:18 PM

im back on line now, after a long spell without broad band so sorry everyone if i missed your shots.

some images drive one nuts when you take them, knowing how to pull the best from the result and i guess this is one of them.
i have to say i really love the figure emerging from the shadow areas and i personally wouldnt try to bring her up to full brightness but lift just a bit, more in the way Willie has to retain an element of mystery.

given all the excellent advice advice above, i wont dwell but i spotted another shot within the shot using a vertical format of the woman emerging from the dark, together with just the single sillouetted figure to her right. this would create an interaction between the two and would be really strong. rather ironically, if you had the grad on that you needed to control the sky against the shadows, you would have still had it in the right position to control the shot when you shot vertically with the bright patch right and dark to the left. id have done a mod but hey ho, no ps on this laptop

interesting scene and im sure there is a killer shot within that frame and the capability of ps.

best regards
Phil

xwang
xwang  531 forum posts7 Constructive Critique Points
22 Nov 2011 - 3:49 PM

First, thank you all..
I forgot to say that I had tried Image>adjustments>shadow/highlight on CS5. I even tried to select only the shadow part to bring her out, and leave the people still in silhouette. Reluctantly,I actually had brightened the picture up already with curve,in order to get her out of the shadow. Maybe not enough or it needs more skill,knowledge of PS... perhaps layer&mask work. I couldn't bring the shadow too much, because there were either noise or dark elements prevented me to do so....
Thank you all very much again.

xwang
xwang  531 forum posts7 Constructive Critique Points
22 Nov 2011 - 4:01 PM

I've never thought of Phil's crop. It wasn't the same story in my mind..Smile but I had a look, went to back to shadow and high light again: increased shadow to 19% tonal with 71% Radius 116; increased midton contrast 81;smart sharpen(Gaussian blur) 58%.. Do we like this? Smilesee MOD

NEWMANP
NEWMANP e2 Member 61583 forum postsNEWMANP vcard United Kingdom574 Constructive Critique Points
22 Nov 2011 - 4:22 PM

the figures not as bright as Willies mod but its going in the right way
Phil

banehawi
banehawi Critique Team 10781 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada2800 Constructive Critique Points
22 Nov 2011 - 4:36 PM

Your doing something different with the shadow tool Jasmine, - both Bren and I produced good mods by simply opening the tool and applying the standard settings it opens with, - no other changes made at all. So if you do the same, your result would be identical, so you doing something else, - lets know. I will upload exactly the same crop as yours, apply the basic settings, and you compare.


Willie

WhiteRose1
WhiteRose1 e2 Member 41029 forum postsWhiteRose1 vcard England133 Constructive Critique Points
22 Nov 2011 - 4:53 PM

Never seen so many mods on a shot before. v6 of the mods is the strongest for me but I guess that probably detracts from the story you had in mind when you took the photograph.

Dave

SlowSong
SlowSong e2 Member 54231 forum postsSlowSong vcard England28 Constructive Critique Points
22 Nov 2011 - 5:53 PM

I like the darkness of your original image Jasmine and the punchiness of the silhouetted figures. I also like the lady in the darkness and would only suggest you run over her coat with about a 5% midtone dodge just to lift it slightly. I like the mysteriousness.
Chris

xwang
xwang  531 forum posts7 Constructive Critique Points
22 Nov 2011 - 7:28 PM

Hi Willie,
Yes, I increased contrast. I phrhaps didn't make myself clear enough. Please, I'm not being offensive, you know that I'm a bit 'picky'.Smile In a kind of way, I agree with Chris. What I wanted was to keep the silhouette and the strong contrast. I only wanted to bring the woman out of the darkness,leave the wall and people as they were, I even prefer them darker a bit, only the woman out, but as I said that either noise or dark elements, the shadow part is a bit messy, I tried to isolated her and reduce noise, but it wasn't very good,there are still a lot blcakish something, maybe not noise, as Paul said before on my "Shadow?"'s picture, it was losing of the density, seeing pixels, loosing black..etc.. I don't know what it was, the image was not clear enough, I wonder if there is or some ways to make her as a beautiful starGrin, I mean, a fine, clean figure. I also had John's problem, some red colour came out when I tried to brighten it up too far..maybe my expection was too high again, just as Chris said, "run over her coat" a bit, .. maybe taht's the only thing I can do,because it was too dark, if it does fit into Paul's theory, whatever I lost in darkness, I can't bring it back. If there is or some ways, it would be great to learn how to ...
Thank you again Willie.
Thank you Dave. Thank you Chris.

Last Modified By xwang at 22 Nov 2011 - 7:42 PM
ccb
ccb  626 forum posts United States2 Constructive Critique Points
22 Nov 2011 - 11:28 PM

Beautifully framed by the tree and the wall. I love the human stories you are able to hint at in your photos, Jasmine. Wonderful collection of silhouettes and they arranged themselves perfectly just for you!
Christina

banehawi
banehawi Critique Team 10781 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada2800 Constructive Critique Points
22 Nov 2011 - 11:51 PM

OK Jasmine, check the last mod, and let me know if this is what you are trying to do.


One thing to keep in mind is that when you extract detail from shadows, you amplify noise, - and the more you extract, the more noise shows up, - so you have to have reasonable expectations. Removal or reduction os such noise will certainly destroy detail. The laws of physics still apply, - there really no magic!

So let me know at least if I am on the right track,


Willie

pdcche
pdcche  3 United Kingdom
23 Nov 2011 - 7:35 AM

Nice silhouettes and shadow Jas, well spotted.. Peter

paulbroad
paulbroad  681 forum posts United Kingdom843 Constructive Critique Points
23 Nov 2011 - 9:17 AM

Lots of good ideas here, but, for me, there were just too many people there in the first place. Ideally, for this type of image, you need just a small number of people with limited or no overlap of figures. Still a strong interesting piece of work showing how your ideas and vision has progressed since I first met you.

Paul

xwang
xwang  531 forum posts7 Constructive Critique Points
23 Nov 2011 - 9:21 AM

Ahhhh...GrinGrinGrin I love this one, Willie. This is what I wanted, only bring the woman out, not the dark wall and people on the right, "keep the silhouette and the strong contrast", after I've been following you for years, I wouldn't ask you such simple question, just as image> adjustment> shadows/hights, would I? Grin. Ok, I'll be "reasonable", I have to accept that it was too dark.... I thought of using two layers, brightened up one and made a mask, brought her out from the bottom layer, but the quality of her image was poor..
Because I don't have enough experience of PS and photography, thinking back today, this is the same situation as "Shadow?" picture, one photo is not enough. What I should do was, after I shot this one, quickly point the camera at her, but I was on Manual mode, she was pretty quick, maybe there wasn't enough time, maybe I could get a better one, see what my luck would be, and photoshop her back to the shadowGrin... Ahh... I didn't think much, most of the time I just snap around.
Many many thanks Willie.Smile
Thank you Christina.
Thank you Peter.

Last Modified By xwang at 23 Nov 2011 - 9:22 AM
xwang
xwang  531 forum posts7 Constructive Critique Points
23 Nov 2011 - 9:27 AM

Oh... Morning Paul.Grin
Thank you for your comment. Actually, it might be your picture subconsciously influenced me to see this oneWink...

banehawi
banehawi Critique Team 10781 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada2800 Constructive Critique Points
23 Nov 2011 - 2:38 PM

First copy the layer; Then Image>adjustments>shadow/highlight; then add layer mask; then fill the mask with black (with black as your foreground colour, hold down Alt and press backspace key); this removes the adjustment from the layer copy; then use a white soft brush set at 50% flow, 50% opacity, paint on the image you have open where the woman is until you have exposed just as much of her as you want. If you make a mistake and lighten the wall for example, just paint the mistake with black. The Layer>flatten.



Hope this helps.


Willie

xwang
xwang  531 forum posts7 Constructive Critique Points
23 Nov 2011 - 5:34 PM

Thanks Willie. I have no problem with layer mask...I thought of mask layer,it was because I could leave the other part of the photo as it was. Only the woman was selected but the quality of her was so poor....as you said "have reasonable expectations."Grin i'll take that, thank you so much again.

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