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A young boy waits endlessly for his father returning to base from a sorte over the Ruhr valley in 1943 .. he's still waiting

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..and yes the location is an old airbase.

Just as I thought inspiration had gone for good ..

Brand:NIKON CORPORATION
Camera:Nikon D800 Check out Nikon Nation!
Lens:16.0-35.0 mm f/4.0
Recording media:RAW (digital)
Date Taken:21 Apr 2013 - 2:48 PM
Focal Length:16mm
Lens Max Aperture:f/4.0
Aperture:f/9.0
ISO:200
Exposure Mode:Manual
Metering Mode:Spot
Flash:Off, Did not fire
White Balance:Auto
Title:Waiting for Dad
Username:Nick_w Nick_w
Uploaded:12 Aug 2013 - 7:52 AM
Tags:Black & white, Digitally manipulated, General, Humour / fun, Portraits / people, Specialist / abstract, Ww2
Votes:51

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mrswoolybill
mrswoolybill Critique Team 7328 forum postsmrswoolybill vcard United Kingdom880 Constructive Critique Points
12 Aug 2013 - 8:16 AM

Oh I think your inspiration has come back with a vengeance. Smile
Fabulous location...
Moira

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bluesandtwos
12 Aug 2013 - 8:24 AM

Oh yes!!!

A brilliant image, I wanted to put a very expressive expletive in front of the word brilliantBlush but thought better of it!Wink

A truly excellent picture.

Dave

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Briwooly
Briwooly e2 Member 8452 forum postsBriwooly vcard England5 Constructive Critique Points
12 Aug 2013 - 8:36 AM

Stunning what a great image

Brian...................

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leontari
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12 Aug 2013 - 9:33 AM

A brilliant image.
Effrossini

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rogerdoger
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12 Aug 2013 - 9:48 AM

Great Shot. Love the location.
Regards Roger

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martin.w
martin.w e2 Member 12350 forum postsmartin.w vcard United Kingdom22 Constructive Critique Points
12 Aug 2013 - 10:12 AMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Like the concept Nick and the thought behind it......but.....the lighting here doesn't work for me. Placed where the boy is, he would be almost a silhouette....especially as if you look at the door frame behind him where almost no light is hitting it. He would really need to be in front of one of the windows and the light (and shade) on him sorted accordingly Wink

As said, a great idea and one I would have no idea how to create.....but with a bit more work (for me at least) could be excellent Smile

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SlowSong
SlowSong e2 Member 53989 forum postsSlowSong vcard England28 Constructive Critique Points
12 Aug 2013 - 1:53 PM

The depth to that corridor is impressive. What a long way back it goes, just like the boy. I may be mistaken, but unlike martin above I thought you'd rendered the boy just as you wanted him, sort of trapped in his present. It's not supposed to be real.
Top work.
x

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BillyGoatGruff
BillyGoatGruff e2 Member 7191 forum postsBillyGoatGruff vcard England199 Constructive Critique Points
12 Aug 2013 - 4:26 PM

Ah....the Return of The Mojo! Wink

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DaveU
DaveU e2 Member 81339 forum postsDaveU vcard England121 Constructive Critique Points
12 Aug 2013 - 5:43 PM

I think martin.w has said it all Nick .... at the moment it looks too much like a composite as the light on the figure just isn't right. Work in progress maybe whilst you get that naughty little mojo back in it's cage.

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LesF
LesF  7175 forum posts8 Constructive Critique Points
12 Aug 2013 - 6:36 PM


Quote: It's not supposed to be real.


Quote: the lighting here doesn't work for me.


Quote: at the moment it looks too much like a composite

For a non composite / DM person I get confused with how or what these are supposed to be, are they towards reality or surreal, I look at them in my world of reality therefore I can understand the comments of Martin and Dave, but then everything else has that surreal feel about it then I get the not supposed to real angle.

LesF

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Nick_w
Nick_w e2 Member 63723 forum postsNick_w vcard England98 Constructive Critique Points
12 Aug 2013 - 7:49 PM

First of all a big thanks to Dave for the UA and Peter for the HC.

When I saw Martins comments this morning I deliberately left it to see others opinions. Hope you didn't get a splinter from that fence Les Wink (thanks Martin for such an honest comment)

I can see Martins / Daves point and to be fair I've made similar comments on others work. Most of my work (dms) are of a surreal nature, even here, the boy must have been on steroids, to be that height at ca 10. The idea was to freeze him in time, create a detachment from where he was grounded (hence the description), the lighting on him was designed with that in mind, light = hope etc. I knew after I finished processing this it would create debate. I had a couple of pms before Martins comment, from people I'd not even heard of before saying how much they admired it.

Does an image have to appear real? Of late I've admired images of models levitating (Bekah has some great examples). If I'd said the lad was lit with strobes would that have made a difference? As how often do you see in the real world someone with intense backlighting, and strong soft front lighting at different colour temperatures, but again this is very much in vogue (again something I like).

Anyway I do encourage real comments / debate on my images as that is what enhances all our work (I've marked Martins comment helpful for this reason). If my work Polarizes opinion, I'm happy, i much prefer someone to love (or hate ) my work than just to like it.

No one mentioned it but the annoying bit left of the boy as you look has since been sorted.

Last Modified By Nick_w at 12 Aug 2013 - 7:51 PM

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LesF
LesF  7175 forum posts8 Constructive Critique Points
12 Aug 2013 - 8:48 PM

It's ok Nick it was a metal fenceWinkWinkWink

LesF

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DP_Imagery
DP_Imagery e2 Member 9DP_Imagery vcard Wales6 Constructive Critique Points
12 Aug 2013 - 10:36 PM

Works for me.

Bruce

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DaveU
DaveU e2 Member 81339 forum postsDaveU vcard England121 Constructive Critique Points
13 Aug 2013 - 7:21 AM

Interesting to read your thought processes behind the image Nick.

Nah, of course DM work doesn't have to appear "real" but the danger is that anyone will slap something together with no narrative, bad cut-outs, poor composition and no thought whatever to lighting and shadow disparities and just excuse the sloppiness of their work saying that it was meant to look surreal.

Not that this image comes into the above category of course Smile

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Nick_w
Nick_w e2 Member 63723 forum postsNick_w vcard England98 Constructive Critique Points
13 Aug 2013 - 8:07 AM

I don't disagree with anything you've said Dave, funny when I do DM's when I get the lighting / shadows just right Mr E says I concern myself too much with the technicalities, but when I don't I'm challenged about the lighting not been right, not that I would ever mention such thingsWink

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Richsr
Richsr e2 Member 790 forum postsRichsr vcard England205 Constructive Critique Points
13 Aug 2013 - 8:32 AM

Congrats on the HC Nick and some good F/b on these type of image
Regards Richard

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chase
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13 Aug 2013 - 5:44 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Works for me Nick,it is,after all,a composite & yes if you had said the lad was lit by strobes then perhaps nothing would have been mentioned about the lighting...it was after all coming in from different directions as I recall.
Love the gritty conversion,he is well positioned in the frame...great flag !

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Eviscera
Eviscera  71093 forum posts United Kingdom149 Constructive Critique Points
13 Aug 2013 - 8:39 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Bit late to the party Nick Grin

The observations (not concerns) about your overly-technical approach reside with some of your still life images where you invariably over complicate the weighting of the components. Their relationship to the whole.

Anyway mate ,

This image achieves what I imagine you set out to do, ambience, story and mood. The lighting dilemma isn't an issue to appreciate. Film noir etc , good theatrical.

You have a greyscale issue processing the composite parts separately.

One set is grainy , the other smooth and it doesn't gel.

So, add the elements , and then apply the conversion to the whole.

You could consolidate the whole thing using any tech thereafter , duplex,duotone etc.

Just a suggestion Nick , and I aint posting jack ***** till the click club finds a desert island to breed with each other and hopefully spawn some good photography.

erm Smile

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Alda
Alda  146 forum posts United Kingdom27 Constructive Critique Points
13 Aug 2013 - 10:05 PM

My first thought when I saw this was: wow, just wow! I read all the comments and then looked at the image again. I have to say I agree that the boy doesn't look like he's actually there - a bit 'cut out and stuck on' (no offence intended, really Blush) But I can see and appreciate the reasons you did it the way you did, and it is, regardless of anything, an excellent image GrinGrin

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Nick_w
Nick_w e2 Member 63723 forum postsNick_w vcard England98 Constructive Critique Points
13 Aug 2013 - 10:36 PM

Dave, get off your backside and get posting! Don't worry who votes for who, responses like I've had on this image are far more meaningful, I don't agree with all the points, so what? It's made me think, challenge why I did something, and actually reinforce my original ideas. It's really why I stay with EPZ because discussions really help improve your work, there are several images in my PF that are important to me in how I've developed, and nearly all are because of the considered critiques I've had.

On to your points, yes hands up I applied the conversion to the two elements separately, first and last time I've done this, and it is maybe what others have really seen but not articulated.

The still life's are improving (I think) but I'm only on the bottom steps of that particular learning curve (at least where I want it to be). But what I'm trying to bring to both the DMs and still life's, is a simple main message, but with subtle supporting bits, rather than elements fighting for attention.

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BURNBLUE
BURNBLUE e2 Member 8BURNBLUE vcard United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
14 Aug 2013 - 9:11 AM

Really like the concept of this, and agree with both sides of the view on this image. Think it's a really thought provoking shot. And I would like to see the colour version of it.

Simon.

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Nick_w
Nick_w e2 Member 63723 forum postsNick_w vcard England98 Constructive Critique Points
14 Aug 2013 - 9:34 AM

Thanks Simon, in someways the discussions have overshadowed the message I was trying to convey, which is a shame - all the children that are left orphaned during war.

The thought process behind this was I was researching my great uncles death in bomber command during ww2, I made contact with relatives of other crew members that perished with him, including the daughter of one of his best friends who was only about 5 when her Dad died.

My own Dad was close to my great uncle, he too was 5 and remembers vividly the last time he saw his uncle, and in particular the shiney buttons on his uniform.

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