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Was walking towards Middleton Woods and heard the steam train whistle.Great thinks I . A train piccie.
I waited and waited.....
Then suddenly it came and went within a second.
It was going downhill.
V2 shows a very bad train piccy.
How do people on here get such lovely sharp pictures ???
HELP PLEASE !

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Title:Waiting for The Red Dragon
Username:barbarahirst barbarahirst
Uploaded:1 Apr 2010 - 7:40 AM
Tags:General, Landscape / travel, Transport
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Jekaro
Jekaro e2 Member 5Jekaro vcard United Kingdom
1 Apr 2010 - 8:07 AM

Two cracking captures, Barbara, very well composed and taken. Can't help with taking fast action shots as I have trouble myself.
Roy

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andylea
andylea  537 forum posts United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
1 Apr 2010 - 8:19 AM

two wonderful captures brilliant colours and detail i play safe landscape does not move to much nice one barbara Wink
andy

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morpheus1955
morpheus1955 e2 Member 7morpheus1955 vcard United Kingdom2 Constructive Critique Points
1 Apr 2010 - 8:27 AM

Two cracking images Barbara, good composition and very nicely taken, sorry can't help you on taking moving objects Smile

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pluckyfilly
pluckyfilly e2 Member 8283 forum postspluckyfilly vcard United Kingdom33 Constructive Critique Points
1 Apr 2010 - 8:32 AM

you could try upping your ISO or your shutter speed I dont know which method you use for taking pics - aperture or shutter speed but either will or should work and to your shot I like both maybe the V2 should have been the main picture I dont know, see what others think

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Richsr
Richsr e2 Member 790 forum postsRichsr vcard England209 Constructive Critique Points
1 Apr 2010 - 8:55 AM

Just keep practicing Barbara.
Regards Richard

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brownbear
brownbear  5 England2 Constructive Critique Points
1 Apr 2010 - 9:03 AMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

For a good moving shot, it is usually better to take from a distance with a longer lens and pan. (obviously not possible in woodland).
I think you might have got a better view with the camera in the gap between the three trees, with the train on the curve,this would give a more head on shot and no need to pan. As plucky filly says use a higher shutter speed, when possible.
Having said all that I like V1.

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gingerdelight

Two wonderful shots Barbara - great capture of the train!
Carol

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mrswoolybill
mrswoolybill Critique Team 7407 forum postsmrswoolybill vcard United Kingdom998 Constructive Critique Points
1 Apr 2010 - 9:15 AM

V1 - much calmer!
Moira

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dmhuynh72
dmhuynh72 e2 Member 628 forum postsdmhuynh72 vcard United Kingdom3 Constructive Critique Points
1 Apr 2010 - 9:24 AM

I think the pros use fast and expensive lens which freezes movement and get sharp pictures. But this is an excellent attempt Barbara.

regards
yung

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NobbytheNobster

Two good shots there, i love the steam engine. The easiest and quickest way for me to capture a moving subject (when i have no time to play with my settings) is to switch to the pre-set sport mode.
Ricky.

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colmar
colmar  742 forum posts Scotland35 Constructive Critique Points
1 Apr 2010 - 9:37 AM

Two cracking images and I like them both v1 such a wonderful scene composed and captured well v2 for the attempt and the pov , a faster shutter speed, appropriate lenses and panning as mentioned above, the fact you have attempted to cature the train in the woods with those three immediately in front is not going to help but it is a good attempt and as one other says as with all images practice practice and when done practice some more Smile

Colin

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aitchbrown
aitchbrown e2 Member 8247 forum postsaitchbrown vcard United Kingdom
1 Apr 2010 - 9:51 AM

Love 'em Barbs. Down in the woods on a cold cold day eh? You must be mad ! helen x

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CarolG
CarolG e2 Member 7128 forum postsCarolG vcard Greece16 Constructive Critique Points
1 Apr 2010 - 9:59 AM

Two super captures, Barbs, I would be very pleased to capture this wonderful steam train! Carol

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Imagephotographics

Two great shots Barbara !

Chris

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PinkK
PinkK  580 forum posts United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
1 Apr 2010 - 10:12 AM

I was half expecting to be looking for the bunny in the woods Smile

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photophantom
1 Apr 2010 - 10:29 AM

Sport mode, burst mode, will give you such speed Barbs. Nice try

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johnjones
johnjones  4 England
1 Apr 2010 - 10:46 AM

two great shots
jj

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TrevBatWCC
TrevBatWCC e2 Member 6TrevBatWCC vcard England8 Constructive Critique Points
1 Apr 2010 - 11:34 AM

I visited here back in August 2008, and took a train ride on 'Brookes No.1' that was running at the time. I took several shots, and although these don't travel fast, managed a few out of focus! Sad Nice captures, Barbs, keep at it!
TrevB Smile

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Lillian
Lillian e2 Member 5Lillian vcard United Kingdom16 Constructive Critique Points
1 Apr 2010 - 12:33 PM


Quote: I think the pros use fast and expensive lens which freezes movement and get sharp pictures. But this is an excellent attempt Barbara.



I have to agree here, and you do need to really stand back, and again as already advised you were not able to in the woods so on the whole don't be too disapointed, as you got the shot!! I thought that you were off to find another Easter Bunny!! I have one from a distance and even that was not in focus.. two good shots though Barbara.
Lillian

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PattiW
PattiW e2 Member 9PattiW vcard United States2 Constructive Critique Points
1 Apr 2010 - 12:51 PM

V1 is so pretty! Like the color of the sky, the curve of the train tracks and the lovely 3 trees on the right. Are they Birches? Really like the bright colors on the engine in V2 and the name of the train on the front. God bless, Patti

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peterellison
1 Apr 2010 - 1:19 PM

V1 is a great shot on its own!
Peter.

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woolybill1
woolybill1 e2 Member 7woolybill1 vcard United Kingdom65 Constructive Critique Points
1 Apr 2010 - 1:24 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

To add to the above - the closer the object is to the camera, the shallower the dof is going to be. Unfortunately, it will also appear to be moving faster. The need for both higher shutter speed and narrower aperture can most easily be reconciled by raising the ISO Sad

In fact, V2 is not really too far off as it is. About a stop faster ought to have sufficed. The most important single comment above is the need for practice...
Bill

By the way, colour is superb.

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ade_mcfade
ade_mcfade e2 Member 1014786 forum postsade_mcfade vcard England216 Constructive Critique Points
1 Apr 2010 - 2:04 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Main thing here isn't the sharpness, but the composition - one thing with lines in photos, like the lovely train line here, is that you want to try to avoid them being cut or intersected by obstructions - so here you have the main tree on the right overlapping the lines

you'd have a better shot had you stepped a little to the left, had the whole line showing uninterrupted, and the tree on the right framing the shot.

to get "sharp" shots, you're best bet is using a tripod

second best, is to get a fast shutter speed - so your ISO setting on your camera goes up and maybe the aperture down a bit.

have fun Smile

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Canadiann
Canadiann  4 Canada2 Constructive Critique Points
1 Apr 2010 - 2:13 PM

Hope she was worth waiting for LOL. I like the shots but of course I am no photographer. I think they are ok, we can all improve though. (What's wrong with my poem LOL )
All the best and keep practising.
Regards
Ann

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saeidNL
saeidNL  4 Netherlands3 Constructive Critique Points
1 Apr 2010 - 2:22 PM

What a wonderful set of images, all very beautiful indeed ,V1 This is really interesting and unusual and V2 I really like this with nice composition and colour in it,
saeid

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imagio
imagio  8 England1 Constructive Critique Points
1 Apr 2010 - 2:25 PM

I always prefocus on a set point Barbara..then when the train arrives..click..

Bernie

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DRicherby
DRicherby  5269 forum posts United Kingdom725 Constructive Critique Points
1 Apr 2010 - 2:25 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

According to the EXIF data, this was taken at 52mm, f/5.6, 1/40s and ISO-100. The problem is entirely the shutter speed, which wasn't fast enough to freeze the motion of the train. This is, as has been pointed out above, accentuated by the train being close to you and moving across the frame: the closer parts of the train move across several pixels in 1/40s, whereas the more distant parts of the train look sharper because they don't cross as many pixels.

Higher ISO is a must and, since the track is acceptably sharp throughout the frame, and the background fence is reasonably sharp, I think you could get away with a wider aperture, too. That said, if I'd been there, I'd have wanted to use f/8 but settled on f/5.6 as being as wide as I dared go without compromising depth of field. Given the surprising (to me) amount of DoF from f/5.6, it looks like you could probably go to f/4 or so and still have everything sharp that needs to be. A combination of f/4 and ISO-400 would have given you a shutter speed of 1/250s, which I'm sure would have stopped the motion. 1/125 (f/5.6 at ISO-400) would probably have been enough.

People have suggested using a fast lens but I don't think that would have helped. A fast lens is just one that has a wide maximum aperture — say, f/2.8 or wider. But I don't think f/2.8 would have given enough depth of field and, if you're taking the shot at f/4 or f/5.6, it doesn't matter whether your lens can be opened up to f/2.8 or f/1.4 or whatever because the shutter speed is determined by the aperture you're using, not the widest aperture the lens can manage. A fast lens stopped down to f/something is just as slow as a slow lens stopped down to the same aperture.

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SlowSong
SlowSong e2 Member 64362 forum postsSlowSong vcard England28 Constructive Critique Points
1 Apr 2010 - 3:30 PM

I really like V1 as it's so unexpected, those tracks going through a wood.
Chris

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Silverzone
1 Apr 2010 - 3:57 PM

Good effort. I have really learnt a lot from the various responses. Sylvia

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ironman
ironman  5
1 Apr 2010 - 4:30 PM

I prefer the pic without the train so my eye can follow the track,but that's just me.As mentioned in other comments increasing ISO can help because it forces the camera to choose a faster shutter speed ( depending on available light ).Shutter speed should be equal to focal length,so a 50mm lens would need 1/50sec minimum or faster when hand-holding.Another method to try is to pre-focus on an object where the train passes and press the shutter just before the train reaches this point.As with anything else experimentation is the key.

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DRicherby
DRicherby  5269 forum posts United Kingdom725 Constructive Critique Points
1 Apr 2010 - 4:40 PM

The rule of thumb that shutter speed should be at least as fast as 1/(focal length) is to avoid camera shake but there's little evidence of camera shake in #2. You also need to include the crop factor, so, for a 50mm focal length on a Nikon APS-C body, you want a minimum of 1/75s = 1/(1.5x50). Pre-focusing can be helpful for rapidly moving subjects but I don't see any evidence of this shot being out of focus.

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Oliverpants
Oliverpants e2 Member 5Oliverpants vcard England2 Constructive Critique Points
1 Apr 2010 - 4:43 PM

V1 for me - now there are perfect shots and then there are shots that make you want to look because they are intriqueing and have atmosphere. As others have said above about ISO and speed, and I am sure they are all correct and very knowledgeable, but this shot might loose some of its mystery and atmosphere because for me, its about looking down the track and the feeling that you know something is going to happen. V2 would be better as the perfect picture and as I'm no expert, I shall leave that to the earlier comments.
Ann

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digital_boi
1 Apr 2010 - 5:31 PM

V1 it has a stark end of winter look to it trees and bushes in a nad way and the rust on the tracks works with it click

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jonwebber  6 United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
1 Apr 2010 - 5:38 PM

I do like both pictures. The discussion they raised is also interesting.
jon

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gerrymac
gerrymac  7 United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
1 Apr 2010 - 7:04 PM

I've seen a lot worse.......100 ISO is terribly low I myself are rarely below 300 ISO.. except possibly for still life shots. Get that ISO up a bit and leave it up

Gerry

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Brilane
Brilane e2 Member 8Brilane vcard Wales12 Constructive Critique Points
1 Apr 2010 - 7:19 PM

Nice shots.
Of course you could always stand in the track and hope that it stops...........sorry, only joking. Much safer to have your camera set to a higher ISO.
Brian :o)

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Mynett e2 Member 6137 forum postsMynett vcard United Kingdom6 Constructive Critique Points
1 Apr 2010 - 7:51 PM

need the speed to get it sharper and uping the iso will do that or reduce the aperture however the trees in v1 have some great textures

Linda

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Roly
Roly  7 Wales
1 Apr 2010 - 7:52 PM

I do like V1.

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Bob_V
Bob_V  6 United States2 Constructive Critique Points
1 Apr 2010 - 8:10 PM

Two great captures Barbara.
Bob

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Dave_Holdham
1 Apr 2010 - 8:47 PM

Two great shots and you seem to have attracted some great advise too. Smile

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Shootme  5 England
1 Apr 2010 - 8:58 PM

But you know all that dint you? 2 lovely pics, Silver Birch are my fav tree. Gets my vote.

Jim.

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stephenscott
1 Apr 2010 - 9:12 PM

Nice shots barbara..

Steve..

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bromley-smith
1 Apr 2010 - 10:38 PM

Wonderful Barbara.
Tony

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ellenib
ellenib e2 Member 10ellenib vcard United Kingdom
1 Apr 2010 - 11:13 PM

U like both

Niels

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tpics  4 United States
2 Apr 2010 - 6:10 PM

good shot I like this one...wondering where the tracks leed

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Suehh
Suehh e2 Member 739 forum postsSuehh vcard England6 Constructive Critique Points
2 Apr 2010 - 9:33 PM

Lovely woodland shots - did you bump into the teddy bears? And I like the train shot - I know you don't see it as perfect but it has a feel of the pictures in the old Enid Blyton books to me - lovely texture in the train colour and I can feel the metal just looking at it. Like it lots.

Sue

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astyag
astyag  712 Constructive Critique Points
3 Apr 2010 - 5:29 PM

This is excellent, and wow some great tips by the EPZ veterans! well done Barbara
Astyag

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hary60  5 United Kingdom
4 Apr 2010 - 1:32 PM

Two greatshots Barb some great great tips we all can use
Harry

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accipiter e2 Member 4accipiter vcard England57 Constructive Critique Points
5 Apr 2010 - 8:54 PM

Love it. A

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Petro_Conradie

Love V2, great set
P

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